Vegetarian chickens...What?!

[dacjohns]

When I read that section of the code what I got out of it was that animal byproducts could not be fed to ruminants, not that ruminant couldn't be fed to chickens. That was only from one section of the code. Will take more research for poultry feed.

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_00/21cfr589_00.html

 

[dangerouschicken]

Will a vagen eat vegitarian chicken eggs?

Like I posted on here before, there was a guy in Portland who said he was vegan, but wanted to eat eggs from vegetarian chickens. He must be a wackjob, because my brother is a vegan, and he calls chicken eggs "chicken menstruations"

and would never eat eggs.

My chickens eat anything that finds its way into their coop, including mice. They have no problem with that.​

 

[Davaroo]

A vegetarian chicken is an easy thing to have: Dont feed it any meat, totally control its environment and its movements.

I didnt say it wasn't stupid, just something one can accomplish if desired.

As for vegetarian chickens/eggs, Its no doubt a marketing ploy, working on people's ignorance. They hear or read the word "veggie" and they think "natural."
It's not so clever marketing, that's all... nothing to get upset over. Prolly sells a lot of eggs; which is it's intended purpose.

Personally, I think the whole vegan thing is a mixed up jumble, often contradictory, whether it applies to chickens, eggs or people.
I recall years ago it was proven that some animal protein in the diet is beneficial. I doesn't have to be meat, it can be eggs or dairy. Then you are a Lacto-Ovo Vegan.
But, it seems that many people who make the Vegan claim pretty much pick and choose what suits them. In many ways, it's more a badge or label, sort of a personal marketing plan, like "Look at me, I'm a Vegan..."

I know, I used to a rabid Vegan. No meat would touch my lips, no sir! Then, after some careful analysis, I concluded that my pious "Veganism" was mostly just fooling myself. Hardly worth the trouble, really.

 

[dacjohns]

Wow, vegan to Ted Nugent. What a transformation.

 

[Davaroo]

And they say people can't change! Oh yeah, I mean I was heavy into it: raw peanut butter and hand ground grain, nut milks, sprouted everything - you name it, I was there. I even sat under pyramids and oriented my furnishings to "The Flow," way before we called such stuff Feng Shui. Lao Tzu was my friend, the wind my music (cue the sitar)...

So when the topic veered from vegetarian feed for chickens to the normal tangent, I more or less went with it. Then rambling and rumination followed close behind and well, here we are.

I'll never forget a quote by Winston Churchill that fits in here somewhere:

"If you're not a liberal at age 25, then your a heartless b*stard. If you're not a conservative by age 40 ,then you're a FOOL."

I hadn't heard this back then. It's just one of those inconvenient truisms we try not to recognize. Change the titles, the ages as you see fit, use different names, whatever.

It still works. If the shoe fits, you know?...

 

[dacjohns]

Over 40, mostly conservative but with some strong liberal leanings. Just a hunter/biologist that cares about the environment and where we are headed.

Now back to vegetarian chickens. What an absurd thought. Keep them out of their (what used to be) natural environment.

 

[bulldog-girl]

I heard that the "rules" for things labled "organic" and "free range" are very loose. Free range can apply to an animal only have 15 minutes outside in 24 hours. Now I don't know if this is true or not but I can picture chickens walking around with punch cards and "clocking" in and out of the chicken battery on time clocks.

A chicken raised only in a cage it's whole life may not understand what they are missing but a chicken given a "teaser" of what a free range life would be like might be cruel.

I am not condoning mass egg production by the way. Just thought I would chime in on the interesting thread.

Makes me wonder what "organic" really means. I don't pay three times for produce that is raised "organic". I figure that at-uhmmmm-forty something-if I am gonna get cancer I would already have been majorly exposed from red M&M's in the 60's.

 

[DuckyBoys]

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I refuse to buy anything organic for the simple fact that most of it is nothing more than a marketing ploy. However, I respect organic farmers because they found a way to add value to their products, so good for them.

The biggest rip off in my opinion is organic milk, right along side the "No hormone" thing. You're never gonna be effected by the growth hormones given to cows I guarantee it. They are all protein hormones, not steroids.

Some of those "organic" dairy farms, one local to me in particular, are way more disgusting than your run of the mill "regular" dairy barn. Now you tell me how 4000 cows can be considered "organic" when they are penned in a dry lot and "free range" is a relative term?

And what about those "Happy" California cows! LOL...oh I can hardly stand it, the whole thing is so deeply rooted in misinformation. I went to a seminar a few months ago and toured a few very large diaries in CA - those cows (100,000 or more) stand in a dry lot pen just like every other dairy cow in the country.

There is a guy down the street who sells "organic beef" OMG his place just grosses me out. I guess if you never saw the actual farm you'd never know and blissfully overpay for your beef, but having to drive by it everyday makes me doubt the whole "organic" thing even more.

Anyway - my rant - feel free to ignore it!

 

[poppycat]

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Like I posted on here before, there was a guy in Portland who said he was vegan, but wanted to eat eggs from vegetarian chickens. He must be a wackjob, because my brother is a vegan, and he calls chicken eggs "chicken menstruations"

and would never eat eggs.

My chickens eat anything that finds its way into their coop, including mice. They have no problem with that.

chicken menstruations

that's a new one, maybe I'll label my egg cartons with THAT!

 

[ravenfeathers]

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some of the certified labels do get by on technicalities. your best bet as a consumer is to not only buy organic, but buy local. for more information on the organic label, the USDA website has a lot of information about the regulations for the certification program.

"cage-free" on conventional supermarket eggs generally means that the chickens are still warehoused, but allowed to roam around. "free range" means that the chicken has to have access to the outside for a certain amount of time every day, but the chickens are generally released onto concrete or gravel pads in small yards. it's not the labels or labeling that's wrong, it's the large-scale industry of agribusiness.

this is a subject dear to my heart. contrary to elderoo's opinion that vegans are attention-seeking, most of us do it because we believe it's the best thing for our bodies, the earth, and our neighbours: two-legged, four-legged, furred, and feathered. i've worked on factory dairy farms (or factory farms from my perspective and on the scale of farms in my region), so i have a pretty good idea of what's involved: the almighty dollar and to heck with the animals or the groundwater. i respect everyone's right to make the choices they see fit with their own diets and lifestyles. my two kids are ovo-lacto-vegetarians and that was their choice. chickens? don't eat by choice. they eat by the rules of their own evolutionary constructs and those constructs include the consumption of non-vegetable matter.

i have no idea why the egg industry would push the notion of "vegetarian chickens". it doesn't make this vegan want to eat their eggs. perhaps they're playing to the fears of zoonotic infective agents, as discussed above. maybe they think "vegetarian" is the new black. *shrugs*