Finally some support, and this isnt even my thread.
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SewingDiva...try researching it yourself as nothing anyone posts seems to be of assistance to you.
Although the USDA repeatedly states that NAIS is now voluntary at the federal level, it is encouraging mandatory state programs through grants. The USDAs stated goal is 100% participation. The USDA continues to provide grants to the states, and the state cooperative agreements include meeting performance goals. As a result, several states have adopted, or are proposing to adopt, mandatory laws and regulations. Other states have used coercive methods and data mining to increase participation in so-called voluntary programs.
The NAIS is to be implemented in three stages. To reach the USDAs goal of 48-hour traceback of every animal, each stage would ultimately need to be mandatory:
1. Premises registration: Every person who owns any livestock animal would have to register the premises where the livestock is held within the state. Livestock animals include cattle (beef and dairy), hogs, sheep and goats, chickens and other poultry, horses, bison, deer and elk, alpacas and llamas, and others.
2. Animal identification: There will be two levels of animal identification: individual animal and group or lot identification. Most animals in the program would need to be individually identified with a unique 15-digit number. Animals would either be implanted with a microchip or tagged with a radio frequency device, or otherwise physically identified. The tag will have to bear the entire 15-digit number, with the number easily read. For at least some species, radio-frequency identification devices would be required.
Group or lot identification could only be used where groups of animals are managed together from birth to death and not commingled with other animals. In practice, only large confinement producers of poultry and swine would be able to avail themselves of this exception to the individual tagging rule. If animals do not meet the requirements for group identification, they will have to be individually identified.
3. Animal tracking: Every time a tag is applied, a tag is lost or an animal needs to be re-tagged, an animal is killed or dies, or an animal is missing, the event would have to be reported to the government within 24 hours. Commingling events will have to be reported, including both public and private sales, regional shows and exhibitions.
And...if the government so deems that one of your birds could have come in contact with a possibly infected person or animal, they are free to come in and destroy your entire flock WITHOUT testing for any infection/virus/and etc.
The NAIS was developed by large agri-businesses, technology companies, and government bureaucracies, without involving the hundreds of thousands of people who own livestock animals and who will be directly affected. The NAIS will cause a variety of issues:
Massive intrusion into peoples lives: individuals will have to provide detailed information about their property, businesses, and their own movements to government and private databases;
Burden on property rights: the premises registration number will attach to the land forever, and peoples rights to manage their land and animals will be restricted;
High costs: registration, tagging, and reporting all carry costs in both time and money;
Loss of small farmers and ranchers: many will be unable to afford the program, or unwilling to accept the government intrusion;
Damage to the economy: businesses that rely on small farmers, such as sales barns, supply stores, and even tourism, will be harmed;
Reduced choices and increased costs for consumers;
Violation of many Americans religious beliefs; and
Increased government bureaucracy and waste of taxpayer dollars.
Even though USDA is advocating this program, it has not performed a cost analysis of the program. Costs for similar programs in other countries are estimated to range from $37/head to $69/head. With over a hundred million cattle and millions of other livestock animals in the United States, the NAIS will likely cost producers, businesses, and taxpayers tens of billions of dollars.
The NAIS will not provide benefits to justify these costs. The stated purpose of the NAIS is to provide 48-hour traceback to address animal disease. But the NAIS does not address the critical issues for disease prevention and control:
the causes of disease, especially differences in management;
the vectors of disease transmission, including wild animals, insects, and imports;
testing for disease, including tests for Mad Cow and other food-safety issues; and
the unique issues posed by each species and each disease
The proponents of NAIS also ignore the alternatives for tracking animals through lower-cost and less intrusive programs.
And the list of PROBLEMS with it goes on. If NAIS posts bother you so much might I suggest that you not read them. But some of us feel it is a problem because some of us already know the government lies through its teeth and smiles looking at you but has a knife in its hand waiting to stab you when you turn.
They dress it up to look all pretty and a "favor" to us but it is no more a favor than the stupidity of the buffalo killings.
Ranchers complained about not being able to put their cattle on BLM land that buffalo were roaming. One of the Beef COWS tested positive for a BOVINE disease and they said it came from the buffalo. The federal government slaughtered an entire herd of buffalo and never tested the first one prior to doing so. They killed bulls, cows, calves and the excuse was they were infected. Testing done after they were killed showed not ONE buffalo infected. Cattle are vaccinated for the disease and buffalo could be but that was not the point. The point was to get rid of the buffalo, lease the land to the ranchers for their cattle and profit. Yay to our government.
In the event you are ready to have the government control your coop...here is the link to register your property/premises with the USDA.
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/
As for me....you know what will freeze before I register my property or one single chicken with this ridiculous government. I already had to register myself with the stupid government just for being an indian...they can kiss my patootie!
Although the USDA repeatedly states that NAIS is now voluntary at the federal level, it is encouraging mandatory state programs through grants. The USDAs stated goal is 100% participation. The USDA continues to provide grants to the states, and the state cooperative agreements include meeting performance goals. As a result, several states have adopted, or are proposing to adopt, mandatory laws and regulations. Other states have used coercive methods and data mining to increase participation in so-called voluntary programs.
The NAIS is to be implemented in three stages. To reach the USDAs goal of 48-hour traceback of every animal, each stage would ultimately need to be mandatory:
1. Premises registration: Every person who owns any livestock animal would have to register the premises where the livestock is held within the state. Livestock animals include cattle (beef and dairy), hogs, sheep and goats, chickens and other poultry, horses, bison, deer and elk, alpacas and llamas, and others.
2. Animal identification: There will be two levels of animal identification: individual animal and group or lot identification. Most animals in the program would need to be individually identified with a unique 15-digit number. Animals would either be implanted with a microchip or tagged with a radio frequency device, or otherwise physically identified. The tag will have to bear the entire 15-digit number, with the number easily read. For at least some species, radio-frequency identification devices would be required.
Group or lot identification could only be used where groups of animals are managed together from birth to death and not commingled with other animals. In practice, only large confinement producers of poultry and swine would be able to avail themselves of this exception to the individual tagging rule. If animals do not meet the requirements for group identification, they will have to be individually identified.
3. Animal tracking: Every time a tag is applied, a tag is lost or an animal needs to be re-tagged, an animal is killed or dies, or an animal is missing, the event would have to be reported to the government within 24 hours. Commingling events will have to be reported, including both public and private sales, regional shows and exhibitions.
And...if the government so deems that one of your birds could have come in contact with a possibly infected person or animal, they are free to come in and destroy your entire flock WITHOUT testing for any infection/virus/and etc.
The NAIS was developed by large agri-businesses, technology companies, and government bureaucracies, without involving the hundreds of thousands of people who own livestock animals and who will be directly affected. The NAIS will cause a variety of issues:
Massive intrusion into peoples lives: individuals will have to provide detailed information about their property, businesses, and their own movements to government and private databases;
Burden on property rights: the premises registration number will attach to the land forever, and peoples rights to manage their land and animals will be restricted;
High costs: registration, tagging, and reporting all carry costs in both time and money;
Loss of small farmers and ranchers: many will be unable to afford the program, or unwilling to accept the government intrusion;
Damage to the economy: businesses that rely on small farmers, such as sales barns, supply stores, and even tourism, will be harmed;
Reduced choices and increased costs for consumers;
Violation of many Americans religious beliefs; and
Increased government bureaucracy and waste of taxpayer dollars.
Even though USDA is advocating this program, it has not performed a cost analysis of the program. Costs for similar programs in other countries are estimated to range from $37/head to $69/head. With over a hundred million cattle and millions of other livestock animals in the United States, the NAIS will likely cost producers, businesses, and taxpayers tens of billions of dollars.
The NAIS will not provide benefits to justify these costs. The stated purpose of the NAIS is to provide 48-hour traceback to address animal disease. But the NAIS does not address the critical issues for disease prevention and control:
the causes of disease, especially differences in management;
the vectors of disease transmission, including wild animals, insects, and imports;
testing for disease, including tests for Mad Cow and other food-safety issues; and
the unique issues posed by each species and each disease
The proponents of NAIS also ignore the alternatives for tracking animals through lower-cost and less intrusive programs.
And the list of PROBLEMS with it goes on. If NAIS posts bother you so much might I suggest that you not read them. But some of us feel it is a problem because some of us already know the government lies through its teeth and smiles looking at you but has a knife in its hand waiting to stab you when you turn.
They dress it up to look all pretty and a "favor" to us but it is no more a favor than the stupidity of the buffalo killings.
Ranchers complained about not being able to put their cattle on BLM land that buffalo were roaming. One of the Beef COWS tested positive for a BOVINE disease and they said it came from the buffalo. The federal government slaughtered an entire herd of buffalo and never tested the first one prior to doing so. They killed bulls, cows, calves and the excuse was they were infected. Testing done after they were killed showed not ONE buffalo infected. Cattle are vaccinated for the disease and buffalo could be but that was not the point. The point was to get rid of the buffalo, lease the land to the ranchers for their cattle and profit. Yay to our government.
In the event you are ready to have the government control your coop...here is the link to register your property/premises with the USDA.
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/
As for me....you know what will freeze before I register my property or one single chicken with this ridiculous government. I already had to register myself with the stupid government just for being an indian...they can kiss my patootie!
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Cetawin, I've copied your post for my own collection of info regarding NAIS. Thank you for having the patience to pull it all together. Now Wayne and the other NAIS supporters can rush right to that link and register their premises for the program they so strongly support
Many time 'voluntary' is a means to 'mandatory.' The more people who go along 'voluntarily' the less difficult it is to require the remainder to do it when it becomes 'mandatory.'
While I can see reasons for knowing where larger populations of livestock are housed and having those properly identified, should there be an outbreak of some sort of disease or something. Requiring ALL livestock to be registered (which is a good possibility down the road), really troubles me.
As to costs ... normally these are bore by the owner of the livestock. So if you have 5 hens, maybe it doesn't seem like much to spend $5 each to microchip them. But if you have 50 hens? 100 hens? The huge commercial producers may be allowed to ID by lot. But they do things in LOTS. How will you sell 5 hens to someone? or what about paperwork about every chick you hatch, what died, etc.
Anyway, it deserves constant observation to see what NAIS is up to. As for me, I won't be 'volunteering' ANYTHING.
While I can see reasons for knowing where larger populations of livestock are housed and having those properly identified, should there be an outbreak of some sort of disease or something. Requiring ALL livestock to be registered (which is a good possibility down the road), really troubles me.
As to costs ... normally these are bore by the owner of the livestock. So if you have 5 hens, maybe it doesn't seem like much to spend $5 each to microchip them. But if you have 50 hens? 100 hens? The huge commercial producers may be allowed to ID by lot. But they do things in LOTS. How will you sell 5 hens to someone? or what about paperwork about every chick you hatch, what died, etc.
Anyway, it deserves constant observation to see what NAIS is up to. As for me, I won't be 'volunteering' ANYTHING.
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Oh yes and on the left of the page they can register their chickens too. Oh Goodie!
pffffffttttttttttttttt
Oh yes and on the left of the page they can register their chickens too. Oh Goodie!
pffffffttttttttttttttt
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This is my biggest issue with the whole program. It is completely absurd! There are other issue's I have with the program as well (like the money I would have to pay to be a part of this mess), but the fact that they can destroy my flock with no questions asked, is just to much for me.
This is my biggest issue with the whole program. It is completely absurd! There are other issue's I have with the program as well (like the money I would have to pay to be a part of this mess), but the fact that they can destroy my flock with no questions asked, is just to much for me.
NAIS is not only a poultry issue.
There are lots of bad things happening in MI or MN can't remember which one, where this voluntary status is mandatory in the cattle industry. I am sorry I cannot remember the specifics; it has been several months since I read the articles.
I also believe in TX it has been proposed or is regulated that you have to fill out a form every time your horse leaves your property. So if you go on a ride or to the vet, a form must be sent in to the appropriate authority within a certain time frame. Maybe someone who owns horses in TX can chime in if they know anything about this.
I think the whole NAIS is a waste of money as the government cannot at this time monitor illegal immigrants, felons or sex offenders with any success. How are they going to monitor the millions of animals in the country.
Also, if they say they want to protect the food chain, I call BS on that. The small farmer is not going to spread disease to hundreds of thousands of people. You need to look at the mass producers for that.
NAIS is a waste of taxpayer money and a means to an end to small farmers and businessmen.
There are lots of bad things happening in MI or MN can't remember which one, where this voluntary status is mandatory in the cattle industry. I am sorry I cannot remember the specifics; it has been several months since I read the articles.
I also believe in TX it has been proposed or is regulated that you have to fill out a form every time your horse leaves your property. So if you go on a ride or to the vet, a form must be sent in to the appropriate authority within a certain time frame. Maybe someone who owns horses in TX can chime in if they know anything about this.
I think the whole NAIS is a waste of money as the government cannot at this time monitor illegal immigrants, felons or sex offenders with any success. How are they going to monitor the millions of animals in the country.
Also, if they say they want to protect the food chain, I call BS on that. The small farmer is not going to spread disease to hundreds of thousands of people. You need to look at the mass producers for that.
NAIS is a waste of taxpayer money and a means to an end to small farmers and businessmen.
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Wayne didn't say he supported it, nor did he try to defend it. He was only looking for current information and facts about recent proposals instead of "OMG, the sky is falling" articles about NAIS.
Wayne didn't say he supported it, nor did he try to defend it. He was only looking for current information and facts about recent proposals instead of "OMG, the sky is falling" articles about NAIS.
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I may go too.
If we start saving up now we could all be there by next year! I'm sure if you tried to tag a chicken there you'd be whacked by a spatula in .05 seconds.
If we start saving up now we could all be there by next year! I'm sure if you tried to tag a chicken there you'd be whacked by a spatula in .05 seconds.
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