Washingtonians Come Together! Washington Peeps

[JulesChicks]

oh man I had no idea about the anitbiotics.... is corid and antibiotic... I have some that are sick and on corid... I am guessing on what is wrong. how much was the vet? 

Corid and Ampromed are not antibiotics- they are what is used to treat coccidiosis.

 

[sphinxface]

garden is out of control, like every year it gets to growing so big, it is hard to get in there & harvest anything, LOL

I have a similar problem XD I can't seem to plan anything well enough that it doesn't get out of control! Your garden looks beautiful though!

 

[Chickielady]

For my beginner's mind....what is AI?

Avian Influenza

 

[Chickielady]

Why do you suddenly think AI is running rampant in our flocks? JulesChicks had her birds seen by a vet and they were diagnosed. They do not have Avian Influenza. There is a whole other thread and I'm sure hundreds of websites for people who want to explore the signs of AI.

Personally I am offended that you are assuming my birds have AI. If I suspected they had anything but Marek's I would have them tested. None of my birds are sneezing, coughing, have respiratory discharge or any of the classic signs of Influenza. My cockerel that died was ill for weeks before finally passing. If he had a respiratory virus I would think the other chickens would be sick by now since the incubation period is 3 - 14 days.

Marek's does not know seasons. I've had birds get sick from Marek's every month since last November. Sadly that pretty much covers fall, winter, spring and summer.

I DO NOT SUDDENLY THINK any sort of such thing !

THIIS WAS MY POST:

So now I am wondering if AI is surviving the dry/heat despite what the scientists said & we need to know the symptoms of this illness !
This is summer, there is no known disease, that strikes & kills IN SUMMER.
MG is famous for spring humidity, and is a air sac infection...and you know Marek's usually rears its ugly head about early spring, also.
AI is what we are watching...so what are the symptoms ???


I am merely asking WHAT is causing so much death that is requires culling.
Please do not get any of this out of some sort of control. We are merely ASKING.
No one should be offended.
AI or Marek's or MG can strike any of us at any time.
I have had some such in my flocks.
getting together & identifying disease & helping each other is what we need to do.

If you feel so offended, my question is WHY ? WHY do you feel offended ?

Why cannot you get together with the community & help educate & school each other in diseases.
It happens, though.
Sooner or later SOMEONE gets a tick under their blanket that all this disease issues is all about them, and it is not.
There is a big big world out there & lots of disease & the best we can do is get together & help each other.

If you are offended, so be it.

 

[Chickielady]

My recommendation is that if you have any unexpected or unexplained deaths you send them to the wsu avian poultry lab in Puyallup. I lost two perfectly healthy birds within an hour of each other out of a flock of 80. No deaths before or after. No sickness. Just fine then dead. Lab tests showed they ate toxic mushrooms. Needless to say i now inspect fields, runs and coops closely during mushroom season. But i wouldn't have known the cause without thier toxicology report.

Thank you for being positive against us all fighting disease !

 

[Chickielady]

They arrived from the breeder at the end of May, 6 pullets (3 hatched out last November and 3 hatched March 20). One of the young Cream Legbars had bubbles coming out of her nose on arrival. Being a newbie I thought, well that ain't good! (It was a clear, runny discharge the whole time she was sick) I was giving probiotics/electrolytes for the stressful travel day. They had a long day but not continuous travel, since they had a nice shady rest in the middle of the day - came from 4 hours away. I contacted the breeder by the end of the first week and she said that was strange and to give them the probiotics/electrolytes and said it was probably from stress. Shortly after I had contacted her the other 2 hatched on March 20 came down sick. They developed runny noses (that had a thicker discharge than the CL and some crustiness) and eventually a cough/sneeze. But all three remained alert and active. After several weeks of this I new it was more serious (hindsight I would have done a lot different, mind you) so I took the sickest little to the vet. He did a bunch of swabs and a blood test and after having to come back a second day (over and hour round trip to vet!) we fed ex'd it to Puyallup for testing. Both the swab (PCR - culture) and the blood test were positive for MG. I let the breeder know this and she said it's not in her flock and would take no responsibility at all for these birds. The vet said it was unlikely they picked it up on the way (it was a warm, dry day FWIW). Stress could have brought out something they had in their systems. The youngest 2 were Marans and they looked pathetic compared to my other Marans who are only 5 days older but were much bigger, vigorously healthy and with shiny feathers. I was very careful who I bought birds from getting started this spring and I did a lot of research - like almost a year's worth, so it was very frustrating to go through this. The vet said that now the FDA has no withdrawal time for meat and eggs if you give antibiotics, meaning you should not eat the bird or eggs for life of the bird. Of course, most backyard chicken keepers may not adhere to this. After much deliberation I decided to try antibiotics and see if they improved - I tried Duramycin for 9 days with no change. A couple of days later we culled the sick ones. The three older ones never showed signs of illness despite sharing the tractor with the sickies, food and water, etc.

Also, I asked the breeder to test her flock and she basically made accusations at me but eventually said they would test. Never heard back from her. My husband wants me to have no further contact with them.

So, that's it in a nutshell.

Aw, so here we go, thanks for coming forward on the symptoms and YES you did have nasal dischage.
MG, yes I have had that bad boy several times, and yes it is passed through the egg, and yes I had to delete several entire flocks (24+ birds) due to repeated MG symptoms to the point where I had to inject (M injection ) Pen Aquas, on a few birds, via muscular breast injection.
It revived them, but a week later they fell ill again.
I culled the flock & contacted the breeder.
She disapeared for a year, and is now selling again & I hope the birds are MG free.
And dang those Blue Copper Marans were gorgeous !!!
But full of MG.
I am sorry for your losses ! It hurts bad when you buy, hatch & raise babies, only to watch them fail & die.
MG has very apparent symptoms, and thanks for telling your story & helping new people her LEARN.
One of the most apparent symptoms of MG is "Pump Handle Respiration" which is the bird standing up staight (high) and gasping, then sinking down, only to resume his pump action, like the pump on a well. The second symptom just before the succomb, is turning blue, and the entire time you hear the gurgling of 'air-saculitis" where the air sacs of the bird (LUNGS) are so infected it is drowning...it would be our version of bad bad pnuemonia.

Thanks again for helping educate the new people here !
I hope you over come your issues, and let me know if I (or any of us oldies) can help !!)
YOU ARE AWESOME !!!

 

[Chickielady]

oh man I had no idea about the anitbiotics.... is corid and antibiotic... I have some that are sick and on corid... I am guessing on what is wrong. how much was the vet?

Corid is an anti-parasitic and used for getting new babies used to the amoebas in the soil.
Corid is NOT an antibiotic.
Corid is AMPROLIUM, and it is used in new calves & other baby animals to deal with scours, where the parasite eats up the intestinal lining in the baby animal, lambs, calves, and so many more babies suffer & bleed to death (bloody Diarreah) cuased by this parasite.
This parasite lives in the soil.... and we can only medicate our baby animals until their immunal systems get "used" to the parasite.................and then, they harmlessly pass through our chicken's gut with no ill effects.
BUT,
If you feed your baby chicks unmedicated feed, they can succomb to these Cocci parasites, and you will see a blood bath in your brooders.
It does not look like the intstinal lining shed, it looks like some one (a human) cut their wrist, and bled all over the brooder.
have seen it 1 X with 25 chicks, and that was enough to make me a believer.
Amprolium is not an antibiotic.
Amprolium is an anti-parasitic, I think they call it.
Corid is a brand name of Amprolium.

 

[Chickielady]

Corid and Ampromed are not antibiotics- they are what is used to treat coccidiosis.

Corid is a brand name of the drug, Amprolium.
Amprolium is used in "Medicated" chicks starter.

So, the chick starter is MEDICATED with Amprolium.

You can also BUY Amprolium, in a gallon jug or a dry powder, and it is marketed under several names, one of which is Corid.

What you need to remember, is,

You do not, feed your animals "medicated Feed"
AND then administer Corid (or any other marketed amprolium) in their water................... Because now you will be OVER MEDICATING and it can kill !

So, either you use medicated feed and regular water, or un medicated feed and then you medicate the water,
BUT not both.

 

[Chickielady]

I have a similar problem XD I can't seem to plan anything well enough that it doesn't get out of control! Your garden looks beautiful though!

Thanks, you are very kind, and I wish you the best !

 

[KelsT]

Corid is an anti-parasitic and used for getting new babies used to the amoebas in the soil.
Corid is NOT an antibiotic.
Corid is AMPROLIUM, and it is used in new calves & other baby animals to deal with scours, where the parasite eats up the intestinal lining in the baby animal, lambs, calves, and so many more babies suffer & bleed to death (bloody Diarreah) cuased by this parasite.
This parasite lives in the soil.... and we can only medicate our baby animals until their immunal systems get "used" to the parasite.................and then, they harmlessly pass through our chicken's gut with no ill effects.
BUT,
If you feed your baby chicks unmedicated feed, they can succomb to these Cocci parasites, and you will see a blood bath in your brooders.
It does not look like the intstinal lining shed, it looks like some one (a human) cut their wrist, and bled all over the brooder.
 have seen it 1 X  with 25 chicks, and that was enough to make me a believer.
Amprolium is not an antibiotic.
Amprolium is an anti-parasitic, I think they call it.
Corid is a brand name of Amprolium.

thank you for the detailed information. I had been starting to get confused. Had a chick die and one seem sock with cocci and have been treating with corid. I fidnt mix new eaxh day since the 3 chixks cant drink even close to a gallon in a day. I was recently informed that i hVe to mix new each day. I dont know why that is. I got another bloody dropping after 2 weeks on the non fresh corid and started over mixing fresh each day. I only can hope it takes care of the problem and i am even treating for the right thing. I was thinking about doing antibiotic but i dont want to not be able to eat the eggs when they do finally start laying.....