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[Chickielady]

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I have used it as a second dose after my vet vaccinated my first chickens for worms. I also used it for some 12-14 week old pullets I got from a breeder since I was sure they hadn't ben wormed. I never saw any external bugs or worms in their poop, so I can't actually tell you that it helped a known infestation. But it was easy to use.

Thank you much. I see no worms in poop, but I did have the external (lice). I used Wazine 7 for a worm dose, but this was just for prophylactic reasoning. I figured used the Ivermectin topical....a second hit on the lice (which had been present) and would also be a second prophylactic dose wormer - but this time broad spectrum. Kinda of a "spring cleaning" if you will.

I use the poultry dust IN the sand & DE IN the dust bath.
However, juvenile birds sometimes do not 'get' the idea of the dust bath, or just use it as a roost

& poop in it...so sometimes I had had to dust them a second time, but not for years has that happened.
I also spray the entire coop especially roosts & nest boxes & their straw, with permethrins...A dilution of the very condensed product called 'Permectrin II'
I will try to get a link back here...

http://www.jefferslivestock.com/per...-emulsifiable-insecticide/camid/LIV/cp/14045/


Are you sure it is lice or it is little red spidery things ?
Those are northern fowl mites..and the birds get them if they are not dust bathing.
I have never dipped my birds, the poultry dust & dust baths have always worked.
Still, when ever I have access to grabbing any of them (quite a few times a day) I flip them over & go looking for bugs

WA4-HPoultryMom has just told me about another Ivermet produce that goes on the back of the neck & there is no waite period on eggs...

http://www.jefferslivestock.com/eprinex-pour-on/camid/LIV/cp/17185/

I have not used the Eprinex, I used Ivermectin, so next time I am going to get Eprinex, pour on with a syringe on the back of the neck.
Contact WA4-HPoultryMom (or maybe Clover uses this too?) to get dosage amounts.
It kills internal & external parasites.

 

[Chicken Rustler]

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No surgery until Wednesday. Last info I got they have her in traction and the pain is being reduced with meds. Seems one of the reasons they are holding off is that this is not a real common type injury and they want to have as many on board as they can.

 

[Stumpfarmer]

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What I find myself wondering, as I stare at the package of cat-strength Advantage that we accidentally double ordered, is if anyone's used that concentration of Ivermectin on their chickens.

(Typing is more a challenge than usual: had to go back and put vowells in a lot of words up there)

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

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What I find myself wondering, as I stare at the package of cat-strength Advantage that we accidentally double ordered, is if anyone's used that concentration of Ivermectin on their chickens.

(Typing is more a challenge than usual: had to go back and put vowells in a lot of words up there)

My typing is challenged as I have Pyper the dog in my lap trying to lick the crumbs off my fingers as I type and then lay her chin on the space bar.

I have also wondered about using Dog/cat flea/lice spray on the chickies or using a form of Advantage.

 

[Stumpfarmer]

TouchO'Lass :

Rare Feathers: That's great news! It must have been so hard not knowing...

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I think out of all the birds I have around here Starlings are THE single most disliked!

Am I gonna have to wait until they are done nesting, and try to close it up again more securely? Or is there something I can do about it now?

Hardware cloth? I don't think I'd wait. I really don't get any pleasure from destroying any critter, but it sounds like aggression and no compassion is the only way to deal with these birds. This is a small excerpt from a 2009 article:

"No other state poisoned more starlings last year than Washington. Starlings there caused $9 million in damages to agricultural operations over five years. Nationwide, starlings cause $800 million in damage to agricultural operations each year, according to a Cornell University estimate.

At one feed lot, some 200,000 starlings gathered each day, lining fence tops, wires, water troughs and even perching on top of cows. They've learned to steal the most nutritious morsels from the cattle troughs and pose an ever-present threat of moving disease from one ranch to another, said Roger Woodruff, director of Wildlife Services in Washington.

Nearly 650,000 starlings were poisoned last year in the state, an all-time record, he said."

Dat's a lot of birds potentially spreading a lot of disease...

Several people around here (North Okanogan) have said there is still a bounty on 'em, but I haven't found the official word...

The rest of the article is here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/07/shock-and-caw-pesky-starl_n_278608.html​

One thing you can do before you close up the breach with multiple layers of hardware cloth, using roofing nails or long screws with big washers (starlings' beaks are MEAN: the pool building at Timberline High School has a piece of Corten steel bent outward so they could nest inside the cast concrete wal in a wiring cavity) is to take some kind of heavy spray oil and kill the eggs by closing their air pores. WD-0 won't work for this, it needs to be canola oil Pam or generic equivalent or the cheap but excellent olive oil or canola oil spray from Trader Joe's. Uncrushed dead eggs mostly dry up; cavity nesting birds have very low hatch temps and usually choose self-warming hollows/starlings also bring in compostable materials to keep the nest a bit warm so that live eggs will hatch and you'll have pitiable baby bird noises and then dead-animal stench.

That's from the Audubon Society/USFWS starling control technique.

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

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Thank you much. I see no worms in poop, but I did have the external (lice). I used Wazine 7 for a worm dose, but this was just for prophylactic reasoning. I figured used the Ivermectin topical....a second hit on the lice (which had been present) and would also be a second prophylactic dose wormer - but this time broad spectrum. Kinda of a "spring cleaning" if you will.

I use the poultry dust IN the sand & DE IN the dust bath.
However, juvenile birds sometimes do not 'get' the idea of the dust bath, or just use it as a roost

& poop in it...so sometimes I had had to dust them a second time, but not for years has that happened.
I also spray the entire coop especially roosts & nest boxes & their straw, with permethrins...A dilution of the very condensed product called 'Permectrin II'
I will try to get a link back here...

http://www.jefferslivestock.com/per...-emulsifiable-insecticide/camid/LIV/cp/14045/


Are you sure it is lice or it is little red spidery things ?
Those are northern fowl mites..and the birds get them if they are not dust bathing.
I have never dipped my birds, the poultry dust & dust baths have always worked.
Still, when ever I have access to grabbing any of them (quite a few times a day) I flip them over & go looking for bugs

WA4-HPoultryMom has just told me about another Ivermet produce that goes on the back of the neck & there is no waite period on eggs...

http://www.jefferslivestock.com/eprinex-pour-on/camid/LIV/cp/17185/

I have not used the Eprinex, I used Ivermectin, so next time I am going to get Eprinex, pour on with a syringe on the back of the neck.
Contact WA4-HPoultryMom (or maybe Clover uses this too?) to get dosage amounts.
It kills internal & external parasites.

thank you for the info...I am going to go and look and bookmark the sites.
Yes, they were lice. When I had the one hen at the doctor for being egg-bound, she found the lice. I dusted them then and was going to use a dip later...but it has not been warm enough. I just want to follow up on the lice. I now have sand in my run. I have cleaned out all shavings in the coop and I am doing some re-designing, but all has had DE sprinkled. I will make the DE wash and paint the interior.

 

[blueducklings]

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SHE IS BEAUTIFUL!!!

 

[Chickielady]

I do not think a DE wash will do anything.
DE is only good on bugs if they injest it...that is why it is good in the dust bath.
You can grab a handful & rub it into the bird's feathers..make sure you get it in to their skin between the legs, and at the vent, and their wing 'pits'.
So that when bitten by bugs, the bugs get the DE ingested, but the mites & lice won't bite on the coop walls.
As I remember you said you did get a dust bath in there.
I have never used cat lea/tick products on birds.
I imagine if the ingedients and strength are alike, them get a "disposible' bird (like a rooster you are going to cull anyway) and try it on him and see....I am not aware of side effects such as IF it is too strong...but IF it is too weak the bugs will not die.
I would try it & see..or ask the vet there first ?

 

[4cats3kids1hubby2many]

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Cat product: Very good point. I think I will stick with the known to work products.

I have sprinkled DE in the nesting boxes, in the dust areas the birds have chose, on the floor, and I have measured the correct amount into their food. Also, I have a bowl with ground up pumpkin seeds in it, as I heard this is a good natural wormer (don't know if it works...but the like the seeds). I read that doing a wash just helps to keep the bugs out. But I will actually have all my walls covered her soon. I think that all of this is great information for us newbies, who are still learning all of this. BTW, it is food-grade DE.

 

[Stumpfarmer]

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What I find myself wondering, as I stare at the package of cat-strength Advantage that we accidentally double ordered, is if anyone's used that concentration of Ivermectin on their chickens.

(Typing is more a challenge than usual: had to go back and put vowells in a lot of words up there)

My typing is challenged as I have Pyper the dog in my lap trying to lick the crumbs off my fingers as I type and then lay her chin on the space bar.

I have also wondered about using Dog/cat flea/lice spray on the chickies or using a form of Advantage.

You'd think that cat or dog Advantage (which is Imitacloprid and not Ivermectin) would be more appropriate for chickens than a bovine wormer because of body size and skin thickness, although it looks as if it's toxic to Japanese Quail which puts up a red flag for other gallinaceous birds. Unfortunately the Ivermectin artical at Wikipedia stinks , so I'll have to google around and figure out the dog wormer which uses it.

One thing I notice from reading both Wiki articles is that there's a totally ass-backwards risk assessment; Imitacloprid has a relatively small margine between the effective and lethal doses in most animals, whereas Ivermectin is extremely safe except in a cluster of herd dog breeds and some reptiles.

When my brain is not sucking fumes I'll try to chase down a higher level of info, but Wikipedia does hold its attractions when I'm so sleep deprived that I've got trailing rainbows across my visual field for any moving target (which since I don't touch-type is a bit of a nuisance).