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[Stumpfarmer]

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That movie demonstrates why craigslist has been a liberating force for small farmers, especially the ones who raise (non-chicken) meat animals. It's broken the strangle hold of the feeder buyers, corporate feedlots, and big packing-houses and given small local feed-out operations and cow-calf people a willing buyer/willing seller marketplace that had been subverted by a monopolistic system.

 

[Chicken Rustler]

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The outlet is the least of your problems right now unless that heater is over 1800watts / 15amps. You mention 100 foot extension cord. That cord needs to be at least #12 wire, not 14 or 16. It must be #12 or even better #10. Many times GFCI's also tend to have low tolerence to moisture.

Correct me if I am wrong but #12 braided wire can not carrier and much as #12 solid wire can.

Well I hate to tell ya but that is not correct see electricity runs on the surface and stranded wire has more surface area. But they are normally rated about the same. Also you don't want solid as a cord due to it not being as flexible. also over time of being moved the solid will break.

 

[Chicken Rustler]

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I bet I could set ya up with that 100' extension.

Seriously? LOL, I was joking. Also, its actually about 200 ft.

Question though, would this 'propane cord' be temporary only? or could I use one to hook the heater up to my greenhouse? Would it be safe above ground?

Let me check. I do have connections !!!! With a guy who works for propane Co.

 

[Kaneke]

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Extension cords that are #12 or #10 and a hundred feet, will not be cheap. I'm still not sure what DH spent on his, I just know it was spendy.

You may want to check again. They also do 100' in # 14 and some 50's are 16. And they try to fool unknowing people. See they put thick insulation so they seem like good cords but youe haveto look at the wire size to be sure. It will always be stamped into the outer sheath.

I feel so lucky

we bought #10 extension cords when we were building this house (we acted as our own general contractor, and a great group from Chehalis did much of the work, they found us a place to order them cheap since several groups of contractors went in together on a bulk buy) -- our house is also wired with #10 since late hubby the forensic engineer, had had to investigate a number of house fires -- the electrician laughed but I didn't

 

[ByN8ureHomstead]

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I don't know what type of heater you have but since it uses electricity your 100 feet extension cord may not be able carry enough juice to run the heater properly. Was the shock like static or was it like you were getting jolted by electricity? If it was NOT a shock like static electricity then your system may not grounded right. Does the extension cord and the surge protector plugs have 3 prongs? Is your surge protector a plug bar? Remember I don't know what you have but I would think you should have the heater on a 20 watt breaker with a surge protector that can handle 20 watts. Hope this helps

I hope you just made a mistake about 20 watt. It should be 20 AMP . OK so here is a fast lesson Volts x Amps = Watts Normally amps are used to express load/current draw and watts (not always but) generally express output.

Yes I meant 20 AMP. I was having a blonde moment.

 

[Chicken Rustler]

Yes as a matter of fact I do know everything about anything. I am the best that ever been andif ya don't believe it just ask me and I will tell ya so.
True story I just made it up !!!

 

[Kaneke]

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Yup: entirely consistent with standard English orthography.

Plain vanilla English word.

Maybe plain English but certainly not used in daily language. If I ever say it again I think I'm gong to pronounce it Fo neems. It flows better and makes more phonetic sense. Pho is fo (long o), phone is fon (long o) but it needs the e on the end. In order for it to be eems you need the e that's after the n which means it can't be Fone and also eems it has to be Fo neems. So may be standard English orthography but fone eems just doesn't sound right to me. But I have to say, if nemes was a word I would tend to pronounce it with a short e but that's just me.

Hmmm, finally looked up phonemes in the dictionary and it is pronounced Fo neems, not fone eems! But I guess Webster could be mistaken.

I wasn't writing orthography, I was doing my best to give you what it sounds like when it's spoken ...

of course it depends on where you put the emphasis on the syllables, but with equal stress on the syllables pronouncing it fo neems, you will sound like someone who can read English but isn't a native speaker .. or who is unfamiliar with the field ... the nasal sound is usually included in the stressed first syllable (breath pulse)

back when, I used to write continuity for radio, it was necessary at times to use awkward spellings to assist the news/ad readers to pronounce some words/names correctly

these days I am sure the sports announcers have something like that on their teleprompters, when talking about players with names like Nnamdi Assomughi (and the like)

 

[Stumpfarmer]

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I took my son to see that when it played in town. We went home and ordered chicks, and found a place in town to buy our free-range eggs until our chicks were old enough to lay. Even orgnic, "free range" eggs from a mass producer are not raised in conditions that I would find humane.

I found a post on a different BYC thread about 6 mo ago. A woman somewhere in the midwest responded to an add for 1 year old organic free-range laying hens, $10 each. She was horrified by what she saw, a bare dirt "pasture" stuffed completely full of de-beaked birds with almost no room to move! As the egg carton stated, the birds were cage free (though free-range is debatable), and fed an organic diet. I'm sure that in such crowded conditions, a lot of what they must have been eating is chicken poo!

Truly free range (or at least spacious coop and run) is far more important to me than organic these days,

I hate the organic label, and it is a sin that organic farmers (and thereby organic consmers) have to pay a penalty tax for not adding chemicals to their fields, animals, etc while the big factory farms pumping all those chemicals on the land and poisoning everyone and everything are subsidised by our tax dollars. I do try and buy from people who grow their stuff naturally but don't pay that penalty tax.

Organic certification is problematic in a lot of ways; for us, because we've owned this property for generations, it requires a level of record keeping extending back into the past which is entirely nonsensical, and essentially mandates the replacement of buildings which include recycled materials. What we go for is sustainable as well as humane and for growing and processing as much of the food intake as possible. One of our major outside supplements is pulp from an organic cider mill; for that to maintain organic certification, we'd have to have the storage containers meet organic standards.

In my cranky and bossy opinion, animal-based agriculture needs to move toward using more food wastage: brewery spoils, produce house trimmings, past pull-date baked, dried, and canned goods, and the emphasis shpuld be on minimizing pesticide residue in all foods, period. Organic certification is absolutely set up to make that impossible, and to guarantee the continuation of our wasteful and environmentally unstable system.

 

[Stumpfarmer]

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Yup: entirely consistent with standard English orthography.

Plain vanilla English word.

Maybe plain English but certainly not used in daily language. If I ever say it again I think I'm gong to pronounce it Fo neems. It flows better and makes more phonetic sense. Pho is fo (long o), phone is fon (long o) but it needs the e on the end. In order for it to be eems you need the e that's after the n which means it can't be Fone and also eems it has to be Fo neems. So may be standard English orthography but fone eems just doesn't sound right to me. But I have to say, if nemes was a word I would tend to pronounce it with a short e but that's just me.

Hmmm, finally looked up phonemes in the dictionary and it is pronounced Fo neems, not fone eems! But I guess Webster could be mistaken.

That's close enough to be understandable, which is all that matters: I actually have a bunch of words which I pronounce "wrong" because they're strictly reading-vocabulary and not speaking-vocabulary. Life is tricky that way, and English is the trickiest.

 

[Stumpfarmer]

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I took my son to see that when it played in town. We went home and ordered chicks, and found a place in town to buy our free-range eggs until our chicks were old enough to lay. Even orgnic, "free range" eggs from a mass producer are not raised in conditions that I would find humane.

I found a post on a different BYC thread about 6 mo ago. A woman somewhere in the midwest responded to an add for 1 year old organic free-range laying hens, $10 each. She was horrified by what she saw, a bare dirt "pasture" stuffed completely full of de-beaked birds with almost no room to move! As the egg carton stated, the birds were cage free (though free-range is debatable), and fed an organic diet. I'm sure that in such crowded conditions, a lot of what they must have been eating is chicken poo!

Truly free range (or at least spacious coop and run) is far more important to me than organic these days,

I hate the organic label, and it is a sin that organic farmers (and thereby organic consmers) have to pay a penalty tax for not adding chemicals to their fields, animals, etc while the big factory farms pumping all those chemicals on the land and poisoning everyone and everything are subsidised by our tax dollars. I do try and buy from people who grow their stuff naturally but don't pay that penalty tax.

Organic certification is a crock of poop and like you said isn't fair to the true organic farmers. They have taken the label organic from real organic farmers and now they can't use the word unless they are certified. The only reason it was created is the big corporations were trying to pass their stuff off as organic which it wasn't so it had to be regulated of course. And sadly, even with corporations being 'regulated' they have so much money they pay off the inspectors to pass them and most do not follow what is stated in the regulations. Most still mono crop. That is not an organic practice. They do not grow cover crops because that would mean land would be out of production. The list goes on and on. The only way you will get truly organic is if you buy from a local organic farmer who practices the real organic methods. Most are not certified because it's cost prohibitive and they want nothing to do with the government bureaucracy but they also have the trust of their local community and their farms are open for all to come take a look. Support your local farmer!

Or what CG said, y'know?