You can send those black chicken people my way! I've been eating my cull cockerels...
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I think he meant BYC,.. and he wasn't saying BYC was better or worse than an APA/ABA show, just different. In some ways he is correct, the purpose of APA/ABA shows is to promote standardized breeds- many of which need more people raising them so they aren't lost. So, with that in mind, the goals of APA/ABA shows and events do not fit very well with the icelandic breed. I can think of several areas where they might fit better- organic farmers including conventions and seminars that they throw (I went to many well organized ones in PA, many included presentations on breeds of livestock that did well with minimal intervention ie cows and sheep that fattened well on grass only and had some parasite resistance). Also, the icelandic is an interesting breed for small urban chicken keepers as well as rural chicken keepers who are not interested in show.
Are you still working on RIW? You should do a poster on that breed and promote them..... they definitely need the help!
I was not asking him to adverstise nor sell any there.
I could have simple rented a sale cage to show the breed, with outrageous prices no one would ever pay.
But it is not worth fighting about.
he is what he is.
He wants things to be how they were 40 years (or more) ago, and that is the way it is, and none of us can change his mind, nor would I try.
I am no longer raising RIW.
The cockeral got so mean we could not go in the pen.
He attacked repeatedly, even after we had to smack him with a shovel.
It was impossible!
Even the pullets grew meaner & meaner.
Once during worming I grabbed a pullet to pick up, and lifted her in my arms, and another one flew at me legs first as to spur me, over & over this loose pullet spurred me.
I have never in my life seen a female chicken fly at someone to spur...never.
Their type was horrible, and I spent $$$ on eggs from Derek Tuntland (white rocks) to breed better type in.
The pullets at POL (4) of which 1 laid an egg every day, one laid every 2-3 days, and 2 never ladi but an occasional shelless jelly ball in the poop tray.
Upon butcher, those 2 pullets had hardley NO ova.
There was not 1 good thing to ""save"" on this breed, of which the stock came from Sandhill.
At the last show (Monroe) Paul told me his type was bad & that RIW were a white version of RIR and that they came in both s/c & r/c.
That was it!
I culled them all the following week & kept the SQ white rocks.
Maybe stock from another source would work, with a least 2-3 good qualitied to work with.
But I figured, why waste a SQ WRock, breeding it into these NASTY RIWs ?????
They did make great soup stock, though, very expensive soup stock, I might add, lessons learned.
You have to have SOMETHING good to work with if you are trying to "save" a breed.
I think he meant BYC,.. and he wasn't saying BYC was better or worse than an APA/ABA show, just different. In some ways he is correct, the purpose of APA/ABA shows is to promote standardized breeds- many of which need more people raising them so they aren't lost. So, with that in mind, the goals of APA/ABA shows and events do not fit very well with the icelandic breed. I can think of several areas where they might fit better- organic farmers including conventions and seminars that they throw (I went to many well organized ones in PA, many included presentations on breeds of livestock that did well with minimal intervention ie cows and sheep that fattened well on grass only and had some parasite resistance). Also, the icelandic is an interesting breed for small urban chicken keepers as well as rural chicken keepers who are not interested in show.
Are you still working on RIW? You should do a poster on that breed and promote them..... they definitely need the help!
I was not asking him to adverstise nor sell any there.
I could have simple rented a sale cage to show the breed, with outrageous prices no one would ever pay.
But it is not worth fighting about.
he is what he is.
He wants things to be how they were 40 years (or more) ago, and that is the way it is, and none of us can change his mind, nor would I try.
I am no longer raising RIW.
The cockeral got so mean we could not go in the pen.
He attacked repeatedly, even after we had to smack him with a shovel.
It was impossible!
Even the pullets grew meaner & meaner.
Once during worming I grabbed a pullet to pick up, and lifted her in my arms, and another one flew at me legs first as to spur me, over & over this loose pullet spurred me.
I have never in my life seen a female chicken fly at someone to spur...never.
Their type was horrible, and I spent $$$ on eggs from Derek Tuntland (white rocks) to breed better type in.
The pullets at POL (4) of which 1 laid an egg every day, one laid every 2-3 days, and 2 never ladi but an occasional shelless jelly ball in the poop tray.
Upon butcher, those 2 pullets had hardley NO ova.
There was not 1 good thing to ""save"" on this breed, of which the stock came from Sandhill.
At the last show (Monroe) Paul told me his type was bad & that RIW were a white version of RIR and that they came in both s/c & r/c.
That was it!
I culled them all the following week & kept the SQ white rocks.
Maybe stock from another source would work, with a least 2-3 good qualitied to work with.
But I figured, why waste a SQ WRock, breeding it into these NASTY RIWs ?????
They did make great soup stock, though, very expensive soup stock, I might add, lessons learned.
You have to have SOMETHING good to work with if you are trying to "save" a breed.
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I wish, but you are too far!!!
They (asians) actually believe the black chicken is highly medicinal...and they want them bad.
Maybe process & freeze them, and I can sell them here, OR I can send you their phone numbers & you can fill their orders?
Let me know via PM...I gotta go now.
I wish, but you are too far!!!
They (asians) actually believe the black chicken is highly medicinal...and they want them bad.
Maybe process & freeze them, and I can sell them here, OR I can send you their phone numbers & you can fill their orders?
Let me know via PM...I gotta go now.
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I think he meant BYC,.. and he wasn't saying BYC was better or worse than an APA/ABA show, just different. In some ways he is correct, the purpose of APA/ABA shows is to promote standardized breeds- many of which need more people raising them so they aren't lost. So, with that in mind, the goals of APA/ABA shows and events do not fit very well with the icelandic breed. I can think of several areas where they might fit better- organic farmers including conventions and seminars that they throw (I went to many well organized ones in PA, many included presentations on breeds of livestock that did well with minimal intervention ie cows and sheep that fattened well on grass only and had some parasite resistance). Also, the icelandic is an interesting breed for small urban chicken keepers as well as rural chicken keepers who are not interested in show.
Are you still working on RIW? You should do a poster on that breed and promote them..... they definitely need the help!
I don't know- anyone who can't be bothered to capitalize "United States" nor learn to punctuate isn't someone I'd worry about impressing or convincing, and would listen to only as a bad example. And I say that as someone who is most interested in raising SSHs, a classic case of a standard breed that needs more advocates if ever there was one.
I've dealt with livestock breeders all my life, and recognize his attitude as the exclusive and exclusionary sort that ends up generating serious problems for individual breeds and for the bloodstock business in general.
yes, but Spitz, and Orloffs and other European breeds can be standardized, and written into the SOP:
The breed has a specific color, weight, leg color, crest or no crest, etc, and maybe comees in several accepted color variations.
Icelandics are new, and vary greatly, and maybe will never be in the SOP cuz every one is different.
Although I have started to notice there are repeated color patterns...although alot of them.
IF Icees were segregated, and bred solely one color to another bird with the same colors, then the breed would eventually wash out into what we see today in Marans, for example, or Rocks, or Orpingtons.
Then you'd have them breeding true (I think)
Some say the Icelandic differs genetically in it's DNA than other chickens, and cannot be made to breed true color variations.
For example, even after years of breeding a brown crested blue to a brown crested blue, a mass of multicolored chicks would hatch, rebreed at the brown crested blues back to daddy, and yet still more multicolored chicks would result.
For the record, the color variations of the Icelandics are what make them so alluring.
I think he meant BYC,.. and he wasn't saying BYC was better or worse than an APA/ABA show, just different. In some ways he is correct, the purpose of APA/ABA shows is to promote standardized breeds- many of which need more people raising them so they aren't lost. So, with that in mind, the goals of APA/ABA shows and events do not fit very well with the icelandic breed. I can think of several areas where they might fit better- organic farmers including conventions and seminars that they throw (I went to many well organized ones in PA, many included presentations on breeds of livestock that did well with minimal intervention ie cows and sheep that fattened well on grass only and had some parasite resistance). Also, the icelandic is an interesting breed for small urban chicken keepers as well as rural chicken keepers who are not interested in show.
Are you still working on RIW? You should do a poster on that breed and promote them..... they definitely need the help!
I don't know- anyone who can't be bothered to capitalize "United States" nor learn to punctuate isn't someone I'd worry about impressing or convincing, and would listen to only as a bad example. And I say that as someone who is most interested in raising SSHs, a classic case of a standard breed that needs more advocates if ever there was one.
I've dealt with livestock breeders all my life, and recognize his attitude as the exclusive and exclusionary sort that ends up generating serious problems for individual breeds and for the bloodstock business in general.
yes, but Spitz, and Orloffs and other European breeds can be standardized, and written into the SOP:
The breed has a specific color, weight, leg color, crest or no crest, etc, and maybe comees in several accepted color variations.
Icelandics are new, and vary greatly, and maybe will never be in the SOP cuz every one is different.
Although I have started to notice there are repeated color patterns...although alot of them.
IF Icees were segregated, and bred solely one color to another bird with the same colors, then the breed would eventually wash out into what we see today in Marans, for example, or Rocks, or Orpingtons.
Then you'd have them breeding true (I think)
Some say the Icelandic differs genetically in it's DNA than other chickens, and cannot be made to breed true color variations.
For example, even after years of breeding a brown crested blue to a brown crested blue, a mass of multicolored chicks would hatch, rebreed at the brown crested blues back to daddy, and yet still more multicolored chicks would result.
For the record, the color variations of the Icelandics are what make them so alluring.
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I think he meant BYC,.. and he wasn't saying BYC was better or worse than an APA/ABA show, just different. In some ways he is correct, the purpose of APA/ABA shows is to promote standardized breeds- many of which need more people raising them so they aren't lost. So, with that in mind, the goals of APA/ABA shows and events do not fit very well with the icelandic breed. I can think of several areas where they might fit better- organic farmers including conventions and seminars that they throw (I went to many well organized ones in PA, many included presentations on breeds of livestock that did well with minimal intervention ie cows and sheep that fattened well on grass only and had some parasite resistance). Also, the icelandic is an interesting breed for small urban chicken keepers as well as rural chicken keepers who are not interested in show.
Are you still working on RIW? You should do a poster on that breed and promote them..... they definitely need the help!
I don't know- anyone who can't be bothered to capitalize "United States" nor learn to punctuate isn't someone I'd worry about impressing or convincing, and would listen to only as a bad example. And I say that as someone who is most interested in raising SSHs, a classic case of a standard breed that needs more advocates if ever there was one.
I've dealt with livestock breeders all my life, and recognize his attitude as the exclusive and exclusionary sort that ends up generating serious problems for individual breeds and for the bloodstock business in general.
My response to people who say one should be supporting American breeds is that my climate bears no resemblance to New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Delaware, Iowa, Massachusetts, or almost any place else in this country. It would make little sense to insist on having breeds developed for those climates.
Granted it doesn't resemble Switzerland much either, but the Brabant? Very much.
I think he meant BYC,.. and he wasn't saying BYC was better or worse than an APA/ABA show, just different. In some ways he is correct, the purpose of APA/ABA shows is to promote standardized breeds- many of which need more people raising them so they aren't lost. So, with that in mind, the goals of APA/ABA shows and events do not fit very well with the icelandic breed. I can think of several areas where they might fit better- organic farmers including conventions and seminars that they throw (I went to many well organized ones in PA, many included presentations on breeds of livestock that did well with minimal intervention ie cows and sheep that fattened well on grass only and had some parasite resistance). Also, the icelandic is an interesting breed for small urban chicken keepers as well as rural chicken keepers who are not interested in show.
Are you still working on RIW? You should do a poster on that breed and promote them..... they definitely need the help!
I don't know- anyone who can't be bothered to capitalize "United States" nor learn to punctuate isn't someone I'd worry about impressing or convincing, and would listen to only as a bad example. And I say that as someone who is most interested in raising SSHs, a classic case of a standard breed that needs more advocates if ever there was one.
I've dealt with livestock breeders all my life, and recognize his attitude as the exclusive and exclusionary sort that ends up generating serious problems for individual breeds and for the bloodstock business in general.
My response to people who say one should be supporting American breeds is that my climate bears no resemblance to New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Delaware, Iowa, Massachusetts, or almost any place else in this country. It would make little sense to insist on having breeds developed for those climates.
Granted it doesn't resemble Switzerland much either, but the Brabant? Very much.
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I think he meant BYC,.. and he wasn't saying BYC was better or worse than an APA/ABA show, just different. In some ways he is correct, the purpose of APA/ABA shows is to promote standardized breeds- many of which need more people raising them so they aren't lost. So, with that in mind, the goals of APA/ABA shows and events do not fit very well with the icelandic breed. I can think of several areas where they might fit better- organic farmers including conventions and seminars that they throw (I went to many well organized ones in PA, many included presentations on breeds of livestock that did well with minimal intervention ie cows and sheep that fattened well on grass only and had some parasite resistance). Also, the icelandic is an interesting breed for small urban chicken keepers as well as rural chicken keepers who are not interested in show.
Are you still working on RIW? You should do a poster on that breed and promote them..... they definitely need the help!
I don't know- anyone who can't be bothered to capitalize "United States" nor learn to punctuate isn't someone I'd worry about impressing or convincing, and would listen to only as a bad example. And I say that as someone who is most interested in raising SSHs, a classic case of a standard breed that needs more advocates if ever there was one.
I've dealt with livestock breeders all my life, and recognize his attitude as the exclusive and exclusionary sort that ends up generating serious problems for individual breeds and for the bloodstock business in general.
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I think he meant BYC,.. and he wasn't saying BYC was better or worse than an APA/ABA show, just different. In some ways he is correct, the purpose of APA/ABA shows is to promote standardized breeds- many of which need more people raising them so they aren't lost. So, with that in mind, the goals of APA/ABA shows and events do not fit very well with the icelandic breed. I can think of several areas where they might fit better- organic farmers including conventions and seminars that they throw (I went to many well organized ones in PA, many included presentations on breeds of livestock that did well with minimal intervention ie cows and sheep that fattened well on grass only and had some parasite resistance). Also, the icelandic is an interesting breed for small urban chicken keepers as well as rural chicken keepers who are not interested in show.
Are you still working on RIW? You should do a poster on that breed and promote them..... they definitely need the help!
I don't know- anyone who can't be bothered to capitalize "United States" nor learn to punctuate isn't someone I'd worry about impressing or convincing, and would listen to only as a bad example. And I say that as someone who is most interested in raising SSHs, a classic case of a standard breed that needs more advocates if ever there was one.
I've dealt with livestock breeders all my life, and recognize his attitude as the exclusive and exclusionary sort that ends up generating serious problems for individual breeds and for the bloodstock business in general.
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Whew! Glad you and DD made it home safely. Good driving Cheryl!
Whew! Glad you and DD made it home safely. Good driving Cheryl!
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Whew! Glad you and DD made it home safely. Good driving Cheryl!
Well I waited until 10Am to go to the barn and feed/turn out the horses there... SO very glad I waited, as even with the later time and warmer temps, the hill I have to drive up and down was still very icey. My van kept sliding sideways... Ugg I NEED new tires!
My van is like a gigantic sled! But we are obviously home safe again. DD is complaining that she's "hungy" lol So better go feed the kiddo!
Horses broke through 3 fencelines last night. So have to repair that. Birds are all happy, I cooked up some oatmeal with bird sead mixed in! They devoured it in minutes! lol Silly birds!
Whew! Glad you and DD made it home safely. Good driving Cheryl!
Well I waited until 10Am to go to the barn and feed/turn out the horses there... SO very glad I waited, as even with the later time and warmer temps, the hill I have to drive up and down was still very icey. My van kept sliding sideways... Ugg I NEED new tires!
Horses broke through 3 fencelines last night. So have to repair that. Birds are all happy, I cooked up some oatmeal with bird sead mixed in! They devoured it in minutes! lol Silly birds!
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I don't know- anyone who can't be bothered to capitalize "United States" nor learn to punctuate isn't someone I'd worry about impressing or convincing, and would listen to only as a bad example. And I say that as someone who is most interested in raising SSHs, a classic case of a standard breed that needs more advocates if ever there was one.
I've dealt with livestock breeders all my life, and recognize his attitude as the exclusive and exclusionary sort that ends up generating serious problems for individual breeds and for the bloodstock business in general.
My response to people who say one should be supporting American breeds is that my climate bears no resemblance to New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Delaware, Iowa, Massachusetts, or almost any place else in this country. It would make little sense to insist on having breeds developed for those climates.
Granted it doesn't resemble Switzerland much either, but the Brabant? Very much.
Hamburgs are from Holland, of course, and the young lady and I have been laughing about just how similar the weather is here and there right now.
I don't know- anyone who can't be bothered to capitalize "United States" nor learn to punctuate isn't someone I'd worry about impressing or convincing, and would listen to only as a bad example. And I say that as someone who is most interested in raising SSHs, a classic case of a standard breed that needs more advocates if ever there was one.
I've dealt with livestock breeders all my life, and recognize his attitude as the exclusive and exclusionary sort that ends up generating serious problems for individual breeds and for the bloodstock business in general.
My response to people who say one should be supporting American breeds is that my climate bears no resemblance to New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Delaware, Iowa, Massachusetts, or almost any place else in this country. It would make little sense to insist on having breeds developed for those climates.
Granted it doesn't resemble Switzerland much either, but the Brabant? Very much.
Hamburgs are from Holland, of course, and the young lady and I have been laughing about just how similar the weather is here and there right now.
Aww - the gentleman from Kent who agreed to take my cockerel back in September has just posted a photo of him. He wanted to use him to breed his hens as he was looking for a good size. This rooster was the result of my LS being bred before I picked her up from CGG. Just for fun I had tossed a couple of her first eggs into the incubator. One of the chicks turned out to be this handsome guy who is exhibition Black Orpington/light Sussex and the other chick is my Juju who is Golden Cuckoo Marans/Light Sussex and definitely one of my most personable girls. So fun to see how the rooster turned out - it was hard to let him go!
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=501337&p=2
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