What is everyones opinion on Madrona?
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Cottonwood is great diet wood: you have to split it down to cookstove size to get it to dry, and then it burns so fast that you are hard-put to keep the firebox full long enough to make dinner (Quotation from Grandma Jane).
Cottonwood is great diet wood: you have to split it down to cookstove size to get it to dry, and then it burns so fast that you are hard-put to keep the firebox full long enough to make dinner (Quotation from Grandma Jane).
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What was the incentive? I've tried both positive and negative without much luck with either. Now I'm using Girlscout activities since she seems to enjoy them.
My 10 yo DD was showing signs of "laziness" and handwriting was horrendous. Could not get her spelling list home.
Well, a friend is tutoring another girl in Math and I asked if she would also tutor DD.
DD is doing great - it is not MOM or DAD trying to help (mind you we are idiots).
DD is also starting to push herself. The mom that is tutoring my DD along with her own daughter...really pushes her girls. I don't know how she does it...but she is great. Her kids both excel. My DD is suddenly using nicer penmenship. She got 100% on her latest spelling test.
She had finally brought home the spelling list...we studied. I decided to use $$$$ as incentive. I know (and kind of agree) that don't like to pay for good grades....but my thought is also....this is my DD job...I want her to do well...so I will pay her if she does well. I gave her $5 for 100% on the spelling test...and she wanted this stuffed animal ....so I slipped in a couple extra bucks because she had such nice penmenship on it. I am hoping that this will keep urging her foreward.
Trust me....Any ideas are welcome.
$$$ is not really an incentive for most kids who are bored with schoolwork -- unless it is given IMMEDIATELY and OFTEN (then it becomes more of a bribe)
praise is
attention is
showing how this exercise relates to adult activities, is
doing the work with an admired peer, is
--- says the one who was bright but totally bored by doing the same thing over and over when "I got it" the first time through, or already knew it anyway
What was the incentive? I've tried both positive and negative without much luck with either. Now I'm using Girlscout activities since she seems to enjoy them.
My 10 yo DD was showing signs of "laziness" and handwriting was horrendous. Could not get her spelling list home.
Well, a friend is tutoring another girl in Math and I asked if she would also tutor DD.
DD is doing great - it is not MOM or DAD trying to help (mind you we are idiots).
DD is also starting to push herself. The mom that is tutoring my DD along with her own daughter...really pushes her girls. I don't know how she does it...but she is great. Her kids both excel. My DD is suddenly using nicer penmenship. She got 100% on her latest spelling test.
She had finally brought home the spelling list...we studied. I decided to use $$$$ as incentive. I know (and kind of agree) that don't like to pay for good grades....but my thought is also....this is my DD job...I want her to do well...so I will pay her if she does well. I gave her $5 for 100% on the spelling test...and she wanted this stuffed animal ....so I slipped in a couple extra bucks because she had such nice penmenship on it. I am hoping that this will keep urging her foreward.
Trust me....Any ideas are welcome.
$$$ is not really an incentive for most kids who are bored with schoolwork -- unless it is given IMMEDIATELY and OFTEN (then it becomes more of a bribe)
praise is
attention is
showing how this exercise relates to adult activities, is
doing the work with an admired peer, is
--- says the one who was bright but totally bored by doing the same thing over and over when "I got it" the first time through, or already knew it anyway
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It's murder to fertilize it, a sin to cut it down, and a worse sin to burn it when the hardwood people are paying pure gold for anything over 4" diameter 6 feet long: furniture wood, floor wood, and the best possible native xeroscaping tree. It burns about the same as Doug fir only without the pitch.
It's murder to fertilize it, a sin to cut it down, and a worse sin to burn it when the hardwood people are paying pure gold for anything over 4" diameter 6 feet long: furniture wood, floor wood, and the best possible native xeroscaping tree. It burns about the same as Doug fir only without the pitch.
Since there has been a mention of rivers I brings to mind something that I have never been able to figure out since moving here in 92 from Cali. Our first winter I remember watching the news about rivers flooding and people losing their homes or being flooded out. Thinking it must be an unusually wet year I felt for those people. But over the years when the same rivers flood and the same people lose their homes I've lost any sympathy for them. They must either be stupid or stubborn. I don't think there has been one year we have lived here there haven't been multiple rivers that haven't flooded at least every other year. Living by a river or in the flood plain I'm sure has it's pluses but as for me it's not worth the chance of losing my home several times. Out on the street in the middle of winter? Losing everything at Christmas time? Pretty much stupid or their stubbornness makes them stupid. Can anyone out there enlighten me? Maybe I'm the stupid one.
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Yes they do but it is not easy to describe. It is mostly in the bark and the shade of grey the wood is.
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Lets start with CLEAN the flue. Then yes a good hot fire daily wll help. Also to reduce build up make sure that you only burn well seasoned wood. Seasoned wood by WA law is wood that has been cut AND split for a min of 90 days. It really needs longer to be real good. Also try to maintain an internal flue temp of 300-500*F. I am really curious about the size of your stove and the settings, based on the burn time you report.
Hope this is a little help. feel free to ask any more questions. I don't know all the answers but am willing to share what little I do know.
Love the help. Thank you!
I had my flue professionally cleaned and they said they were very clean and if I kept burning the way I do (hot) that I could wait 2 even 3 years between cleanings.
I only burn wood that's 12 months or older.
I have a thermometer on the outside of the stove. When it's up and running it usually reads 350 - 400. (But I noticed with maple it was 400 - 500.)
The website (link below) claims "up to 8 hour burn" which makes me wonder if I just don't put in enough wood.
I usually just add a couple pieces- maybe 1/3 full - because I don't want the wood to fall forward and rest on the glass.
One thing that may be different about my set up but I don't know if it would make a difference: the woodstove's flue is on the north side of the house which is on the north side of a hill. The air can swoop down the flue something fierce. Also, the pipes have two angles going up (it's not just a straight shot up and out the roof.)
Any ideas? Thanks for your help!
http://www.jotul.com/en-US/wwwjotulus/Main-menu/Products/Wood/Wood-stoves/Jotul-F-400-Castine/
get a chimney cap similar to this one:
http://www.luxurymetals.com/wind_directional_caps.html?gclid=CLP71ungzawCFekaQgodIjCwrg
they are all over the Oregon Coast, look like Spanish Conquistador helmets ...
make a HUGE difference
Yes they do but it is not easy to describe. It is mostly in the bark and the shade of grey the wood is.
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Lets start with CLEAN the flue. Then yes a good hot fire daily wll help. Also to reduce build up make sure that you only burn well seasoned wood. Seasoned wood by WA law is wood that has been cut AND split for a min of 90 days. It really needs longer to be real good. Also try to maintain an internal flue temp of 300-500*F. I am really curious about the size of your stove and the settings, based on the burn time you report.
Hope this is a little help. feel free to ask any more questions. I don't know all the answers but am willing to share what little I do know.
Love the help. Thank you!
I had my flue professionally cleaned and they said they were very clean and if I kept burning the way I do (hot) that I could wait 2 even 3 years between cleanings.
I only burn wood that's 12 months or older.
I have a thermometer on the outside of the stove. When it's up and running it usually reads 350 - 400. (But I noticed with maple it was 400 - 500.)
The website (link below) claims "up to 8 hour burn" which makes me wonder if I just don't put in enough wood.
I usually just add a couple pieces- maybe 1/3 full - because I don't want the wood to fall forward and rest on the glass.
One thing that may be different about my set up but I don't know if it would make a difference: the woodstove's flue is on the north side of the house which is on the north side of a hill. The air can swoop down the flue something fierce. Also, the pipes have two angles going up (it's not just a straight shot up and out the roof.)
Any ideas? Thanks for your help!
http://www.jotul.com/en-US/wwwjotulus/Main-menu/Products/Wood/Wood-stoves/Jotul-F-400-Castine/
get a chimney cap similar to this one:
http://www.luxurymetals.com/wind_directional_caps.html?gclid=CLP71ungzawCFekaQgodIjCwrg
they are all over the Oregon Coast, look like Spanish Conquistador helmets ...
make a HUGE difference
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and I would have offered eggs except you said I was too far away, and my girls were tapering off rapidly on the egg laying == only Ginger is still laying, and her eggs are still a bit smaller than usual chicken eggs, Julia managed to hatch one of the ?four? she had, and I think Dana got zilch out of two or three of hers
but in case mine start again, after Christmas, think of me ...
I only tried to hatch two of Gingers, since I was actually looking for blue-egg-gene pullets and wanted to maximize my probabilities. Of course I ended up with probably eight cockerels out of fourteen chicks, and Ginger's one offspring is on my "probable pullet" test keepers.
I'm considering going back to bed for a bit, because yesterday was what my dad called a "blue SOB" and included such extra attractions as putting the sheep's pen back together and cleaning off the bed my daughter (currently in Europe) uses so her brother could sleep in it. That was the kind of fun that's not.
just remember, even if GINGER isn't carrying the blue egg gene, ROOPERT probably is ... and I think you need only one of the gene pairs to get blue eggshells, though there may well be a "deposit" on top to turn it green ...
and I would have offered eggs except you said I was too far away, and my girls were tapering off rapidly on the egg laying == only Ginger is still laying, and her eggs are still a bit smaller than usual chicken eggs, Julia managed to hatch one of the ?four? she had, and I think Dana got zilch out of two or three of hers
but in case mine start again, after Christmas, think of me ...
I only tried to hatch two of Gingers, since I was actually looking for blue-egg-gene pullets and wanted to maximize my probabilities. Of course I ended up with probably eight cockerels out of fourteen chicks, and Ginger's one offspring is on my "probable pullet" test keepers.
I'm considering going back to bed for a bit, because yesterday was what my dad called a "blue SOB" and included such extra attractions as putting the sheep's pen back together and cleaning off the bed my daughter (currently in Europe) uses so her brother could sleep in it. That was the kind of fun that's not.
just remember, even if GINGER isn't carrying the blue egg gene, ROOPERT probably is ... and I think you need only one of the gene pairs to get blue eggshells, though there may well be a "deposit" on top to turn it green ...
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It's murder to fertilize it, a sin to cut it down, and a worse sin to burn it when the hardwood people are paying pure gold for anything over 4" diameter 6 feet long: furniture wood, floor wood, and the best possible native xeroscaping tree. It burns about the same as Doug fir only without the pitch.
Pretty much just wanted the last sentence but why would anyone bother to fertilize a tree like that? Reminds me when we first moved here I was admiring all the trees and I remember a landscaper commenting how trees are weeds in WA. I love all the trees but have kept that in mind. I think madronas are nice to look at with their pretty bark and all but really hate that they are constantly dropping dead leaves and pretty much look dead most of the time. If it's in our way we cut it down, if it's not we leave it. No tears shed. You can send those hardwood people my way. I can sell them my 6' Madrona pieces and use the Gold to buy even more Madrona firewood. In my experience it takes a lot longer to burn than the Fir. When we stock the stove with Madrona at night there are still lots of nice coals in the morning. Not so with fir.
It's murder to fertilize it, a sin to cut it down, and a worse sin to burn it when the hardwood people are paying pure gold for anything over 4" diameter 6 feet long: furniture wood, floor wood, and the best possible native xeroscaping tree. It burns about the same as Doug fir only without the pitch.
Pretty much just wanted the last sentence but why would anyone bother to fertilize a tree like that? Reminds me when we first moved here I was admiring all the trees and I remember a landscaper commenting how trees are weeds in WA. I love all the trees but have kept that in mind. I think madronas are nice to look at with their pretty bark and all but really hate that they are constantly dropping dead leaves and pretty much look dead most of the time. If it's in our way we cut it down, if it's not we leave it. No tears shed. You can send those hardwood people my way. I can sell them my 6' Madrona pieces and use the Gold to buy even more Madrona firewood. In my experience it takes a lot longer to burn than the Fir. When we stock the stove with Madrona at night there are still lots of nice coals in the morning. Not so with fir.
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And your point !!!! I was simply trying to use an example that may be easier for a (as BNF put it) "flat lander" to understand ! ! ! ! !
Nah- that was "agree and expand," man, no problem.
I'm cynical about these things: comes from explaining too often why one can't go the short way from Seattle to Kalaloch, or take a short cut from Yelm to Tacoma.
get a helicopter !
of course you have to get permission to LAND in Tacoma, no problem in Yelm, there are 4 airports that I know of, and several with pastures who allow it too
And your point !!!! I was simply trying to use an example that may be easier for a (as BNF put it) "flat lander" to understand ! ! ! ! !
Nah- that was "agree and expand," man, no problem.
I'm cynical about these things: comes from explaining too often why one can't go the short way from Seattle to Kalaloch, or take a short cut from Yelm to Tacoma.
get a helicopter !
of course you have to get permission to LAND in Tacoma, no problem in Yelm, there are 4 airports that I know of, and several with pastures who allow it too
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It's not the same people every year, though. When the Chehalis floods it depends on which tributary takes the heavy rain to raise what part of the river, for instance- the huge flood that took out I-5 a few years ago was from a record rainfall event on a steep slope which should never have been logged and flooded more of the Chehalis drainage for longer than any flood in record. There's an aspect of stupid optimism, greed, and bad planning- all those condos on the Green (I think) on the Pierce County side of Algona Pacific come to mind: ten year flood plain AND lahar zone, let's move there
Some day people have to learn that it isn't the county that tells them not to build in the actual flood channel or on peatbogs or under a freaking unconsolodated glacial till cliff so active there's no trees going on it, but hey: if you think you can build an industrial development on top of 30 feet of decomposed glacial peat (else Mukilteo Muck, my favorite soil class) on top of a couple three-four-ten hundred feet of glacial lacustian clay and volcanic mudflow, go ahead, I'll be the one over their praying for the workers and laughing at your loss when the soil liquifies in the next 7+ earthquake.
Shots of salmon swimming across roads with houses in the distance don't count: the roads in Union had to go somewhere, and the older houses, for the most part, are up on dry land. A lot of the houses are old fishing cabins which always got wet but weren't meant to be used year around.
I laugh, though at the idea that somehow people in California don't do that, because Los Angeles. Flash floods, mudslides, brushfires...
It's not the same people every year, though. When the Chehalis floods it depends on which tributary takes the heavy rain to raise what part of the river, for instance- the huge flood that took out I-5 a few years ago was from a record rainfall event on a steep slope which should never have been logged and flooded more of the Chehalis drainage for longer than any flood in record. There's an aspect of stupid optimism, greed, and bad planning- all those condos on the Green (I think) on the Pierce County side of Algona Pacific come to mind: ten year flood plain AND lahar zone, let's move there
Shots of salmon swimming across roads with houses in the distance don't count: the roads in Union had to go somewhere, and the older houses, for the most part, are up on dry land. A lot of the houses are old fishing cabins which always got wet but weren't meant to be used year around.
I laugh, though at the idea that somehow people in California don't do that, because Los Angeles. Flash floods, mudslides, brushfires...
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