Welsummer

[Doogie80]

Nope.

Is it possible they're too young to confirm 100%?

 

[The Moonshiner]

I think they're both cockerels.

 

[Rhodebar Lover]

It's absolutely a cockerel. Where are you located? It looks to me to be a Golden Duckwing Welsummer which seem to be more common outside the US. Usually here we have only partridge

 

[Bigtom Turkey]

Yes, the orp is male, the reson I was unsure about the sussex is because I did not see any saddles.... but boy does that comb make up for the lack of saddles.

 

[The Moonshiner]

It's absolutely a cockerel. Where are you located? It looks to me to be a Golden Duckwing Welsummer which seem to be more common outside the US. Usually here we have only partridge

Our Welsummer are red.duckwing.
The chick pic they posted doesn't look like a golden though.

 

[Rhodebar Lover]

Our Welsummer are red.duckwing.
The chick pic they posted doesn't look like a golden though.

I included a pic of golden duckwing Welsummer chicks and I am not seeing any obvious differences. I am not a genetics expert by any means, but I did research this before replying to the thread. I called them partridge because that's what they are commonly called. I believe using black breasted red, red duckwing or red partridge are technically correct. I should have clarified red partridge, but many breeders just call them partridge, so that's why I didn't clarify Please correct me if anything I am saying is wrong, I would love to learn more about this. I was just trying to show where I'm coming from, not be disrespectful or anything https://backyardpoultry.iamcountryside.com/chickens-101/a-touch-of-dutch-in-welsummer-chickens/

 

[The Moonshiner]

I included a pic of golden duckwing Welsummer chicks and I am not seeing any obvious differences. I am not a genetics expert by any means, but I did research this before replying to the thread. I called them partridge because that's what they are commonly called. I believe using black breasted red, red duckwing or red partridge are technically correct. I should have clarified red partridge, but many breeders just call them partridge, so that's why I didn't clarify Please correct me if anything I am saying is wrong, I would love to learn more about this. I was just trying to show where I'm coming from, not be disrespectful or anything https://backyardpoultry.iamcountryside.com/chickens-101/a-touch-of-dutch-in-welsummer-chickens/
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I'd never take anything you say as being disrespectful. No worries.
Partridge has a different meaning overseas and here its sometimes kinda a catch all for all the BBR types.
Partridge here is an actual pattern so that's how I use it. The quickest difference is with the female's breasts. Duckwing has the salmon red and Partridge does not. Theirs have stippling.
Welsummer has the duckwing breast.
I've never seen golden Welsummer chicks. Maybe it has to do with the mahogany but I was comparing to golden duckwing leghorn chicks.

 

[Rhodebar Lover]

I'd never take anything you say as being disrespectful. No worries.
Partridge has a different meaning overseas and here its sometimes kinda a catch all for all the BBR types.
Partridge here is an actual pattern so that's how I use it. The quickest difference is with the female's breasts. Duckwing has the salmon red and Partridge does not. Theirs have stippling.
Welsummer has the duckwing breast.
I've never seen golden Welsummer chicks. Maybe it has to do with the mahogany but I was comparing to golden duckwing leghorn chicks.

Thank you for the information! I know how you breed Leghorns, so I was wanting to here what you had to say! It's quite strange the different meanings of partridge. Out of curiosity, am I right that black breasted red technically be duckwing too then?

 

[The Moonshiner]

Thank you for the information! I know how you breed Leghorns, so I was wanting to here what you had to say! It's quite strange the different meanings of partridge. Out of curiosity, am I right that black breasted red technically be duckwing too then?

Yes technically BBR is duckwing. Unfortunately it too is used a lot as a catch all for duckwing, partridge and wheaten because of the males patterns.

 

[TheOddOneOut]

Is it possible they're too young to confirm 100%?

No.. not really.