What are they going for here? (POSSIBLE SCAM)

[Baymule]

GEEEESSHHHHHH !!!!!!!! Redroosta, do you in fact work for Monsanto or are you really this uninformed about reality?

 

[Amyable]

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This is not the case. Squash and cucumbers are not closely related enough to cross pollinate. Now if you grow a couple kinds of bush bean, for example, some distance may be needed between varieties to protect against cross pollination. Different distances for different crops.

 

[theredroosta]

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Your taste in produce is your own opinion. And yes they are hybrids. How can someone be against hybrids when the "original strains" are hybrids themselves. You know the little corns you see in fancy salads? That would be our corn if it were not for hybridization. The only original strains are the wild plants themselves, and most of those are hybrids themselves because a plant can't control its pollination. Our "heritage" is hybridization, because without it we wouldn't have half of the food we have now. Hybridization is whats allowed the world to grow exponentially (whether that is good or bad that is your opinion). I'm not against home gardening, not at all, I'm against this unsupported belief that "non-hybrids" (read as open pollinated hybrids) are superior to commercial hybrids, which is far from the truth considering that almost every plant that we call food did not occur like that in the wild.

Their effort to save "original strains" is the same as me breeding domestic chickens and label it as saving wild junglefowl.

 

[theredroosta]

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This is not the case. Squash and cucumbers are not closely related enough to cross pollinate. Now if you grow a couple kinds of bush bean, for example, some distance may be needed between varieties to protect against cross pollination. Different distances for different crops.

I raise squash-cucumber hybrids. They do not produce fertile seeds but yes I do have them.

 

[njduck]

so a squash and a pumpkin cannot cross polinate either or a gourd. every year you see on TV where someone has a strange vegetable in their garden. then you find out they saved seeds from the year before and it has cross pollinated. I mean it could be that the media and scientist have a big conspiracy.

Also FYI - If you save monsanto soybeans(round up ready). If you replant them you will get round up ready soybeans growing in the field not some freaky hybred. This why Monsanto makes you sign a contract that you will not save seed. If you do you get fined and go to jail. Otherwise every farmer in the country would by round up ready seed once and then save it from there on out cause we could save alot of money

 

[njduck]

I raise squash-cucumber hybrids. They do not produce fertile seeds but yes I do have them.

exactly - sort of like a muscovy duck crossing with another duck. You get a mule which is sterile. they will cross I have a pumpkin crossed with a butternut right now you should see how that thing looks​

 

[Amyable]

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This is not the case. Squash and cucumbers are not closely related enough to cross pollinate. Now if you grow a couple kinds of bush bean, for example, some distance may be needed between varieties to protect against cross pollination. Different distances for different crops.

I raise squash-cucumber hybrids. They do not produce fertile seeds but yes I do have them.

This proves my point about the differences between 'hybrids' and OP's. The squash-cuke hybrid cannot propagate itself through seeds. The Yellow Banana heirloom tomato in my garden will produce seeds that will grow into Yellow Banana tomato plants next year.

Modern hybridization is not the same as selective plant breeding, which has been in practice for millenia.

 

[theredroosta]

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exactly - sort of like a muscovy duck crossing with another duck. You get a mule which is sterile. they will cross I have a pumpkin crossed with a butternut right now you should see how that thing looks

Haha I bet it looks very cool. I have three kinds of squash I plan on crossing but I don't know what species they are. I have a long orange kind that is smooth and about the size of my arm. Another i'm pretty sure is a summer squash and the third is like a flattened black-green pumpkin. Any ideas about 1 and 3?

 

[theredroosta]

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I raise squash-cucumber hybrids. They do not produce fertile seeds but yes I do have them.

This proves my point about the differences between 'hybrids' and OP's. The squash-cuke hybrid cannot propagate itself through seeds. The Yellow Banana heirloom tomato in my garden will produce seeds that will grow into Yellow Banana tomato plants next year.

Modern hybridization is not the same as selective plant breeding, which has been in practice for millenia.

Its exactly the same, take two plants with desirable traits and cross pollinate. Grow seeds when in season. Rinse, repeat.

This squash-cucumber hybrid is not the same as commercial hybrids, 99% of commercial hybrids are of two varieties of the same species. Not interspecies pollination. Your yellow banana heirloom tomato is a commercial hybrid and it wasn't bred with an eggplant or a pepper plant. It was bred from other tomatoes with desirable traits. Artificial selection. Your non-hybrid tomatoes and non-hybrid plants are at their roots (no pun intended) hybrids, and thats that. You can't say your OP hybrid plants are any better than closed pollination.

 

[njduck]

the way you descibe #3 it is an oriental pumpkin, bring big bucks in the right market sold by the right group of people.