what are y'all saving from the wild to deal with coming crisis?

[HenOnAJuneBug]

Scientists have predicted erratic climates shifts & famines severe enough to bring down entire countries...

They've been making these doomsaying predictions for more than 30 years and every single one of them has been wrong. In a regular job people like that would be fired, but in government and academia there is no accountability.

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

Yes, climate has changed in the past, but not with the rapidity with which it is changing at this juncture in our history and not with the same sort of rapid changes that are taking place. Take a look at what humans are doing to the planet. Insect populations are in rapid decline. Water sources are completely tapped out. (Look at what his happening in India, where 21 major cities are about to completely run out of ground water.) Bee collapse. Dead zones are increasing. 60% of animal populations have been wiped out since 1970. The Ogallala aquifer, which took thousands of years to fill up, is rapidly being depleted . These aren't projections of future events of doom and gloom. These are things that are happening NOW. People can stick their heads in the sand and call if fake news, but the fact of the matter is that humans are using resources like a drunken sailor, and in the process are doing what could be irreversible damage. Try raising chickens and growing food/grains when the well runs dry and there's no water. Some places are there already. It's not a doom and gloom scenario....we are there already.

Attributing everything wrong with our world to climate change, without any evidence, has become a new obsession for some. It's almost like a phobia.

 

[clembone]

Human activity driven climate change is not really a political matter or a subject for opinion any longer.



[Except to the extent that flat earth and the like are, and not much can be done about that.]



While it is useful to simply sum up conclusions, it is also important to cite to the sources of the information so that people who are sufficiently interested can look over the material for themselves. Peer review publications are important. It is fun to gossip and speculate. But it is also important to consider facts and evidence. Running around shouting that “the sky is falling” will not help anyone. But neither will bare assertions that contradict established fact.



Where are the reliable sources? Let us consider NASA, National Geographic, and the National Weather Service with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.





In sum, then,



“Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal.”

• Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
  

See generally:

teaching about climate change --- https://www.climate.gov/climate-and-energy-topics/causes-climate-change





More specifically:

“The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1

Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. This body of data, collected over many years, reveals the signals of a changing climate.”

NASA “Climate Change: How Do We Know?”

Global Climate Change, vital signs of the planet

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/




This material introduces the reader to information that is from recognized scientists on the subjects of Carbon Dioxide Levels; Global Temperature Rise; Warming Oceans; Shrinking Ice Sheets; Glacial Retreat; Decreased Snow Cover; Sea Level Rise; Declining Arctic Sea Ice; Extreme Events; Ocean Acidification.








The citations below are from NASA and National Geographic, and include further reading.



https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/



http://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/climate-change/







http://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/global-warming-effects/









References

1. IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, Summary for Policymakers
   
   B.D. Santer et.al., “A search for human influences on the thermal structure of the atmosphere,” Nature vol 382, 4 July 1996, 39-46
   
   Gabriele C. Hegerl, “Detecting Greenhouse-Gas-Induced Climate Change with an Optimal Fingerprint Method,” Journal of Climate, v. 9, October 1996, 2281-2306
   
   V. Ramaswamy et.al., “Anthropogenic and Natural Influences in the Evolution of Lower Stratospheric Cooling,” Science 311 (24 February 2006), 1138-1141
   
   B.D. Santer et.al., “Contributions of Anthropogenic and Natural Forcing to Recent Tropopause Height Changes,” Science vol. 301 (25 July 2003), 479-483.
   

1. In the 1860s, physicist John Tyndall recognized the Earth's natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the atmospheric composition could bring about climatic variations. In 1896, a seminal paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius first predicted that changes in the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.
   

1. National Research Council (NRC), 2006. Surface Temperature Reconstructions For the Last 2,000 Years. National Academy Press, Washington, D.C.
   
   http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
   

1. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/faq/indicators.php
   
   http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature
   
   http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp
   

1. https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20170118/
   

1. Levitus, S.; Antonov, J.; Boyer, T.; Baranova, O.; Garcia, H.; Locarnini, R.; Mishonov, A.; Reagan, J.; Seidov, D.; Yarosh, E.; Zweng, M. (2017). NCEI ocean heat content, temperature anomalies, salinity anomalies, thermosteric sea level anomalies, halosteric sea level anomalies, and total steric sea level anomalies from 1955 to present calculated from in situ oceanographic subsurface profile data (NCEI Accession 0164586). Version 4.4. NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information. Dataset. doi:10.7289/V53F4MVP
   

1. https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7159
   

1. National Snow and Ice Data Center
   
   World Glacier Monitoring Service
   

1. National Snow and Ice Data Center
   
   Robinson, D. A., D. K. Hall, and T. L. Mote. 2014. MEaSUREs Northern Hemisphere Terrestrial Snow Cover Extent Daily 25km EASE-Grid 2.0, Version 1. [Indicate subset used]. Boulder, Colorado USA. NASA National Snow and Ice Data Center Distributed Active Archive Center. doi: https://doi.org/10.5067/MEASURES/CRYOSPHERE/nsidc-0530.001. [Accessed 9/21/18].
   
   http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/snow_extent.html
   
   Rutgers University Global Snow Lab, Data History Accessed September 21, 2018.
   

1. R. S. Nerem, B. D. Beckley, J. T. Fasullo, B. D. Hamlington, D. Masters and G. T. Mitchum. Climate-change–driven accelerated sea-level rise detected in the altimeter era. PNAS, 2018 DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1717312115
   

1. https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html
   

1. USGCRP, 2017: Climate Science Special Report: Fourth National Climate Assessment, Volume I [Wuebbles, D.J., D.W. Fahey, K.A. Hibbard, D.J. Dokken, B.C. Stewart, and T.K. Maycock (eds.)]. U.S. Global Change Research Program, Washington, DC, USA, 470 pp, doi: 10.7930/J0J964J6
   

1. http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification?
   

1. http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean+Acidification
   

1. C. L. Sabine et.al., “The Oceanic Sink for Anthropogenic CO2,” Science vol. 305 (16 July 2004), 367-371
   

1. Copenhagen Diagnosis, p. 36.
   

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[Maugwa]

Yes, climate has changed in the past, but not with the rapidity with which it is changing at this juncture in our history and not with the same sort of rapid changes that are taking place. Take a look at what humans are doing to the planet. Insect populations are in rapid decline. Water sources are completely tapped out. (Look at what his happening in India, where 21 major cities are about to completely run out of ground water.) Bee collapse. Dead zones are increasing. 60% of animal populations have been wiped out since 1970. The Ogallala aquifer, which took thousands of years to fill up, is rapidly being depleted . These aren't projections of future events of doom and gloom. These are things that are happening NOW. People can stick their heads in the sand and call if fake news, but the fact of the matter is that humans are using resources like a drunken sailor, and in the process are doing what could be irreversible damage. Try raising chickens and growing food/grains when the well runs dry and there's no water. Some places are there already. It's not a doom and gloom scenario....we are there already.

There is global warming and climate change no doubt, if not for that, we'd still have Wooly Mammoth and Saber Tooth Tigers to contend with. I don't see any good evidence that man caused it though. The claim is that rising CO² levels change the weather, but other scientists have found that the CO² goes up due to the weather changing but lags up to 100 years behind the temperature changes. Mt. Saint Helens put nearly as much CO² in the atmosphere in a week as mankind has in it's entire history of burning fossil fuels, Krakatoa produced more. If atmospheric CO² were the weather culprit that it is credited to be, shouldn't there be large spikes in weather patterns after these events? There are not even bumps on the graphs where we can say a volcano caused this.

A few things that I find odd about doom and gloomers, are they live in developed countries. I've not found one yet that doesn't have a car, or a refrigerator, or an air conditioner. They have heat in their houses, and televisions, and buy things in box stores that were produced halfway around the world in the most unregulated factories on Earth, then shipped to a store near them. They want somebody else to fix this, they'll type online, using more energy just to say it. They'll pay more taxes for hot air, if they can make everyone else pay them too, but that is not a solution. If there is a solution or a problem, it begins with the people preaching it to give up their energy consumption first. Instead I see the biggest advocates flying all over the world in private jets to talk about it. One of their flights probably produces more CO² than I will in a lifetime.

One of the worst things you could do if you're certain that human energy consumption is changing the weather is move people who use very little energy now, people who have learned to live in warmer climates without as many air conditioners, people who walk or ride bikes more than they drive, people who use a lot more locally grown food than we do, and buy far less imports from the dirty factories in other parts of the world, and move them to the US where they will need a car, an air conditioner, and a Wal-Mart. Isn't it odd that the very same people in gov't that are going to fix the weather with our tax money are also the ones for open borders and mass immigration - think on that a while.

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

Where are the reliable sources? Let us consider NASA

NASA (actually the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in NYC) is not a reliable source. They corrupt science by changing the data to make the past look cooler and the present look warmer. That division of NASA needs to be defunded and shutdown.

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/06/tampering-past-the-tipping-point/

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[NoodlesMama]

Total nonsense. This is a fiction that keeps being repeated without any evidence. However, get rid of fossil fuels and you will see billions die. Civilization is built upon fossil fuels and will collapse without them. Anyone who thinks renewables are the answer needs to consider what's going to happen to the food in their fridge/freezer when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine, or to their job if they work 2nd or 3rd shift.

That is not how solar or wind energy works. The energy can be and is stored for nighttime or when the wind isn’t blowing. If it couldn’t be stored for later why would homesteaders be interested in solar or wind power for off the grid living?

 

[HenOnAJuneBug]

That is not how solar or wind energy works. The energy can be and is stored for nighttime or when the wind isn’t blowing. If it couldn’t be stored for later why would homesteaders be interested in solar or wind power for off the grid living?

How is the energy stored for grid use? The largest battery in the world in South Australia can only power the grid for something like 15 minutes.

 

[Ecatocsc]

And can you believe that some people still do not understand about climate change? Unbelievable I know! Our kids are the ones who will pay for this in the end.

Gary

Climate change is a natural event it’s going to happen no matter what we do...

 

[perchie.girl]

Our species has made what progress it has (if you consider we are actually making any progress) because of cooperation, not isolation.

 

[perchie.girl]

The technology exists to power small groups of homes... As in three or four hundred... A single generator buried centrally that will run Automatically without input for about fifty years.

The Chinese are in the forefront of power Innovation... including storage.

A lithium Ion Battery setup can power your own home... Tesla power wall for instance is good for seven days if you are judicious in power consumption. Its pricey But the details are awesome.... There are many other manufacturers of power storage.

As a global society we should move away from a central power grid anyway...

But back to our original subject... or at least closer to it.... LOL. The Off grid home ideally situated for survivability during crisis takes ad vantage of the surrounding land. Ideally a Land Ship... Cooking can be done using minimal power or even solar ovens.

Hot cooking can be done with a rocket stove as well as heating your home... using Mass heat exchangers powered by a larger rocket stove. Beauty of these is the burn is almost complete. No smoke....

The biggest plus of the Earth ships is they make use of a heat exchange systme built into the ground our land fill behind the house.... large diameter tubes are run with and outlet on the outside... Air is pulled through the tubes and in the process the ground either chills it or cools it.... To a constant temperature.... The air is then circulated through the house and sent back out.

If I had my place to build again I would do Earthship style barn and house... Give the critters a place to retreat when the temperatures get to be over 100 degrees.

deb