What breed are these?

[Duck Guy]

I went to buy a few pigeons and was told by the seller he had rollers(wich I suppose are birmingham rollers) and feral dog trainers. I waited a little long and he had sold my pigeons he had saved, I spoke to him the next week and he had two ready for me, I went the next day or so and he had four more birds ready to go. These birds had come from a breeder in California that moved and gave him the pigeons. I was told they were of great blood line and performance but wasn't sure if these were still rollers, I have only let them out once since they are still young and am rebuilding their kit this coming week. They are still in trap training to, I was just wondering if anybody could help identify these birds for me. I'm new at this and still need some help.

 

[Duck Guy]

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[Duck Guy]

 

[Duck Guy]

 

[Duck Guy]

Not the best pictures I know, but I'll upload some new better ones tomorrow

 

[lightchick]

It's hard to tell. My Birmingham rollers look like this. Of course this is only 4 out of 18.

 

[lightchick]

I think your pigeons could be Birmingham rollers, but not sure.

 

[Duck Guy]

 

[Duck Guy]

Can you also help me with the colors of them

 

[Duck Guy]

I have been looking at them more and am starting to think they are a mix between tumblers and rollers, at least a few. Two of them have feathers on their feet wich makes me think they could have tumbler in them. I geuss it's what I get for buying four dollar pigeons. hahaha oh well I'm new at this and will get better in the future. Oh and another thing, do tumblers roll in the air like rollers?