What happens when foxes start eating chickens (graphic)

[LaFleche]

You know very well that no matter what kind of animals you have, you have to register and the veterinary inspection has to check the conditions in which you keep the animals!

This is just not true.

You can hardly see it fit to apply national laws and regulations for farm animal breeders producing meat for human consumption (food industry) to a private person keeping a Hamster or some ornamental fish etc.

This even is very funny, just imagine how to register the little fish and their tiny offspring ...or trying to do so with daphnia...

 

[mowin]

What's crazy is ikoCRO is totally fine with the hunting organization killing fox, and calls it civilized. But if someone in the US kills a fox that is killing livestock, we should be banned from having livestock. Either way, the fox is dead.

I wonder what the hunting organization does with all the fox they kill. Do they eat them? Lol.

 

[LaFleche]

@ikoCRO Although your intentions might be quite honourable, I think that due to your overeagerness you overschoot your target, or let me rephrase it as you seem allergic to shooting and targets: you overstep the mark.

 

[littlecoopnextdoor]

Predator population in my area is so dense that I no longer let my dogs have access to all of my property. Last Spring I was walking the trails on my land and was being trailed by coyotes. DH could see the whole line of them 100 yrd or so behind me from a high bluff. I couldn’t hear them, couldn’t see them. I suppose I should accept my fate? What about my dogs, are they a fated meal? Misters Kimber and Browning say no!

coyotes often are curious and do trail or sometimes follow new animals/people in their area. this isn't to attack, even though it can be unnerving.

 

[NorthwoodsChick]

coyotes often are curious and do trail or sometimes follow new animals/people in their area. this isn't to attack, even though it can be unnerving.

Yes indeed, unnerving.

 

[ikoCRO]

This is just not true.

You can hardly see it fit to apply national laws and regulations for farm animal breeders producing meat for human consumption (food industry) to a private person keeping a Hamster or some ornamental fish etc.

This even is very funny, just imagine how to register the little fish and their tiny offspring ...or trying to do so with daphnia...

You rephrased my answer and shaped it to suit you, deliberately mentioning people who keep hamsters-ha ha ha, nice try!
You didn't read my entire post from the beginning, but you immediately wrote that I was talking nonsense and that the law on the protection of wild animals is not enforced in Germany!
According to your first post, foxes are allowed to be killed in Germany, which I immediately wrote that you are lying - after that you link to the European regulation on invasive animals, which "may be killed", but there are no foxes on it!? What do you have to say now?
I immediately wrote that only hunters are allowed to kill and that with a permit - you also denied that (because the topic states that all people in the USA are allowed to kill predators), then you write that only hunters are allowed to kill - LOL!
You are contradicting yourself!
OK let's say you're a hunter, let's say you have a license, let's say you're in Europe, let's say fox hunting is open... you can't shoot with a rifle within 100 m of a settlement, have you forgotten that there is also that law - the law that cancels all your licenses and the law you can go to jail for.
I personally think that the EU law on the protection of wild animals is very good and that all countries of the world should have it!
Predators are very important for a healthy ecosystem!
Fence your animals with wire netting, don't let the predator get in and you've solved the problem! If you keep a free range, then get a dog that will defend and chase the foxes very well! There are electric fences... there is always a way to defend your animals, instead to kill predators!
I repeat, if you cannot properly fence and protect your animals, you should be banned from keeping animals, because you are not a good farmer!
I personally would like to keep ostriches, but I don't have the conditions for them - that's why I don't keep them, you see how simple it is!

 

[T-R-O-U-B-L-E]

There are many predators that can rip right through fencing. And, yes, predators are healthy for an ecosystem, however, there must be a good balance. If a predator cannot find food within his natural, wild ecosystem and must hunt within civilization, he must be starving. And why is there any reason for an animal to suffer? Most predators do not walk up to chickens that are in somebodys back yard and say, "Sure. I could go to the forest next door and get the babies in the den. But why would I do that if I could walk into a place that smells of humans, and bust through wire, just so I can get a tiny chicken.". If an animal preys on chickens, that 9 times out of 10 means that there is not enough prey in his ecosystem to feed him. Personally, I will not kill any animal unless it is harming or killing my animals, or it is for me to eat. That being said I have trapped about 10 nuisance animals (racoons, racoons, possums, and more racoons) and disposed of them. I also hunt deer, and doves to eat. There is no reason to sit outside and shoot any animal you see, but there is also no reason to sit around and see a predator get plump while your birds disappear. The OP was defending his livestock. In some cases (like mine) chickens are pets. Would you let your dogs and cats get eaten by a coyote and say "Oh well. There goes my babies, my life, my keepsake of loved ones. At least the coyote got fed." ? I think not. That's my personal opinion.

 

[Aunt Angus]

I'm from Croatia!
You're from Germany?
You can kill wild animals whenever and however you want?
Why are you lying?
All countries of the European Union have a clear law on the protection of domestic and wild animals - this law is also implemented in European countries that are not in the EU.
You know very well that no matter what kind of animals you have, you have to register and the veterinary inspection has to check the conditions in which you keep the animals!
One of the items in the law is that you must not expose animals to predator attacks, and that you must protect them!
Killing foxes, wolves, bears, falcons, snakes, weasels is strictly prohibited in the European Union, and don't lie that it isn't!
I personally know a lot of German poultry farmers and I know that in Germany they are very strict in enforcing the law!

Killing predators is very primitive and bad!
If you cannot properly fence/protect your animals, you do not deserve to keep animals!

I see your point. But we have a lot of predators here in the US - more than many other countries. The only way to protect them from all of the predators where I live would be to put them in underground bunkers, which would definitely be abuse. We live in wolf, bear, and mountain lion territory. Mountain lions are nearly impossible to build a fence to exclude as they can jump over 12 ft fences without much problem and have been known to attack and kill horses in my area. They've attacked and killed people, too. We are absolutely allowed to kill them if they come onto our properties and attack our livestock because they are a threat to people. If they do kill livestock here, and we don't kill them, our government will. It's tragic.

By your reckoning, no one would ever be able to raise livestock because there really isn't a way to fence them to keep out all of our predators.

 

[Aunt Angus]

Predator population in my area is so dense that I no longer let my dogs have access to all of my property. Last Spring I was walking the trails on my land and was being trailed by coyotes. DH could see the whole line of them 100 yrd or so behind me from a high bluff. I couldn’t hear them, couldn’t see them. I suppose I should accept my fate? What about my dogs, are they a fated meal? Misters Kimber and Browning say no!

My mom lives in a busy, urban bea h town in Southern California. Her neighbor let her dog out to go pee and a coyote ran off with it. Turns out, it's happened 3 times this summer in her neighborhood. And children have been attacked recently:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/25/us/california-coyote-attack-child-trnd/index.html

They are definitely good for the ecosystem, until they are too numerous.

 

[McChooky]

As are mine. Ever have a coyote running around your coop trying very hard to get in and the gals are bouncing off the walls in fright? Injuries even death are common. I'm not going to sit back and let that happen.

Coyotes can't harass our chickens with the kind of set up I've got. They can't see them thru the pallet fence until they come close enough to be shot. The coop is very close to the house too which makes it less appealing to bigger predators. Our chickens come first!