What happens when foxes start eating chickens (graphic)

[Shadrach]

I didn't mean to assume, but I did after you'd said he was incorrect. My bad.

I was refering to the comment that in Europe the laws were the same in every member country. This hasn't been my experience but I don't really want to get further involved in the thread.
Just as an example though, the black mink was considered an invasive species in Catalonia and nobody gets prosecuted for killing them.

 

[ikoCRO]

If you really don't even understand why comparing horrible human atrocities to a fox is offensive then I don't have the time and energy that would be necessary to explain it to you.

But I wrote that it is an extreme comparison!
How can I explain what I mean?
Tell me who has the right to kill anyone? ANYONE?
Well, that fox is a living being, she has no right to live?
A lot of you brag about being animal lovers, and then take a gun and kill wild animals around! Because that's your right?
In Europe, highways are protected by fences, animals cannot come onto the highway, they cannot be run over, they cannot endanger human life!
Your logic is to hire men with guns to kill every animal that comes near the highway?
Is that comparison valid?

 

[Shadrach]

How about everyone dials down their sensitivity and concentrates on the substance of what ikoCRO is writing.
I haven't read anything from ikoCRO that I find offensive. It's just the same old cultural problems of internet communication. ikoCRO is obviously passionate about the subject. Trying to make comparisons between Croatia and the USA just isn't going to go anywhere. They are different worlds.

 

[bobbi-j]

Trying to make comparisons between Croatia and the USA just isn't going to go anywhere. They are different worlds.

Exactly.

 

[LaFleche]

haven't read anything from ikoCRO that I find offensive.

Well, calling me a liar several times counts as offensive in my book.

By the way:

Our family background includes many generations of state rangers and licensed hunters til today. And thus we are well educated on the related laws and regulations, especially those that apply to Germany and even the variations depending on the respective Federal State, as we are applying them and live by them and work by them every day.

I certainly would never claim to have the same knowledge about Croatia's laws and regulations, and certainly would not start name calling just because.

But I'm out of here. Whoever is interested to educate themselves on the true word of the European laws and regulations is free to do so any time, the same goes for German laws and regulations.
Noone needs to trust some passionate claims about how the world should be as being the true European or Gernan law.

 

[ikoCRO]

Well, calling me a liar several times counts as offensive in my book.

By the way:

Our family background includes many generations of state rangers and licensed hunters til today. And thus we are well educated on the related laws and regulations, especially those that apply to Germany and even the variations depending on the respective Federal State, as we are applying them and live by them and work by them every day.

I certainly would never claim to have the same knowledge about Croatia's laws and regulations, and certainly would not start name calling just because.

But I'm out of here. Whoever is interested to educate themselves on the true word of the European laws and regulations is free to do so any time, the same goes for German laws and regulations.
Noone needs to trust some passionate claims about how the world should be as being the true European or Gernan law.

Of course you are lying (there is no Google translator error here - I responsibly claim that you are lying).
I don't know what you call someone who writes untruths in the USA, but in Europe it's a liar!
You wrote that the EU law on animal protection is not implemented in Germany--ha ha ha ha!
Do you know that Germany is in Europe - that law originated in Germany (Google it BNatSchG).
I only wrote for you that you are a liar, not for other people who simply do not know, and you never once wrote that you do not know, but you persistently claimed that BNatSchG does not exist in Germany!

 

[mowin]

Of course you are lying (there is no Google translator error here - I responsibly claim that you are lying).
I don't know what you call someone who writes untruths in the USA, but in Europe it's a liar!
You wrote that the EU law on animal protection is not implemented in Germany--ha ha ha ha!
Do you know that Germany is in Europe - that law originated in Germany (Google it BNatSchG).
I only wrote for you that you are a liar, not for other people who simply do not know, and you never once wrote that you do not know, but you persistently claimed that BNatSchG does not exist in Germany!

Wow, you are a incredibly ignorant individual. Calling someone a liar when has said their family have been involved in German law for generations. What experience do you have in German law? I'll answer that for you.. the same experience you have in American law... ZERO.

 

[Geena]

Trying to make comparisons between Croatia and the USA just isn't going to go anywhere. They are different worlds.

I don't think this has anything to do with a culture clash between Croatia and the US. This is nothing more than some PETA minded person coming onto the Predators and Pests section to reform all of us violent animal killers and then ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with him.
I normally have a very thick skin, but I too am done with this person now.

 

[mowin]

And what can I answer you when I have already written everything!
You provoke all the time and do not want to accept a different opinion, because you persistently believe that it is your right to kill!
Violence and killing is never a solution to a problem!



You think it's your right to keep animals as you want - WRONG!
If you cannot provide proper conditions for keeping animals, you should ban keeping animals!
Exposing your pets to wild animals with poor protection directly harms your pets and makes you a bad farmer!

Do you think it is your right to have children?
What happens in the USA when someone has children in bad living conditions!
Well, the social service takes away your children - of course!
Do you think it is wrong to take children away from parents who, for example, let their children be in pedophile groups without supervision?
See what I'm getting at?
Wait, I have the right to have children, I will let my child be with pedophiles, but I will defend him with a gun! That's your logic!
My logic is: I will never allow my child to go to pedophiles!

(I know the examples are extreme, but I just want to explain more clearly what I mean)

Understand that that fox is a living being, she does what she was created for!
She always follows the line of least resistance and if she sees that she is allowed to kill a chicken, she will do it.
Remember the fox that got tangled in my fence - I watered i and released it into the wild.
She never ame back to try to kill my chickens again - because sh learned that because of the quality fence and barbedthe, she couldn't do it (she even injured her eye in th process).
Isn't that a beter and more humane solution than if I killed her wit
That's why I aologize to everyone who ntention!

I provoked. You calling Americans, primitive, uncivilized, and disgusting isn't provoking?
You hide well behind the so called language barrier and put the blame on Google for your arrogance.

What you can't, or won't understand is our culture is much different than yours. You constantly bashing our way of life is attacking us. I don't agree with your culture, and I never bashed your way of life, why do you feel the need to bash us?

Killing a predator that is killing my livestock is not violence. Understand this.... It's 100% legal. I paid for that livestock, I pay for the feed for the livestock. Do I not have a right to protect that livestock within the law? Your doing what your government is allowing you to do within the law.

You're WRONG...
It is my right to keep livestock as I want. You don't get to make those decisions for me. I've never lost any livestock, and none of my pets were ever in danger. So what gives you the right to call me a bad farmer?

Oh ya, what the heck does Hitler or pedophiles have to do with livestock? Your grasping at straws on that one.

As far as the fox you "saved" the reason it never came back is because it's dead. Your civilized hunting society shot it. Kind of ironic huh.

I really hope you think before you bash a culture that is living within the letter of the law.

The next time you have a nice juicy hamburger, remember the Hindus are not on a forum bashing you.

 

[Shadrach]

In Catalonia, Spain where I lived for a decade there were many people who took what you describe as the PETA minded person view on the preservation of wildlife above livestock.
Their case was based on what had happened in the Spanish civil war. The retreating International and pro independence army retreated through the North of Spain and the region of Catalonia. Armies need to eat and any edible wildlife that the retreating army could kill got killed to feed the retreating army. Wildlife in Catalonia was all but wiped out. This war was from 1936 to 1939 and the wildlife population has still not recovered and there are some strict laws regarding under which conditions one can kill wildlife that threaten livestock.

Croatia has had a war much more recently 1991 to 1995 and my understanding is the same thing happened to wildlife there.

The preservation of wildlife is a very emotive subject in countries that have experienced the devastation war has on wildlife.
There are approximately three times more chickens in the world than there are people. While I appreciate the distress people feel about losing their pets and sometimes livestock to predation the to protect what's mine at the expense of what doesn't belong to anyone may not be the best environmental option in other places in the world.