What might these crosses give?

[junebuggena]

I really do understand that part. The salmon faverolle I think was really throwing me off thinking of it as silver bc of the fact that they have a beige light tan coloring.

The beige/tan is caused by their wheaten pattern gene. You can see the silver in the males. It doesn't show in the females.

 

[jwyles]

The beige/tan is caused by their wheaten pattern gene. You can see the silver in the males. It doesn't show in the females.

I really want a book to read in this. I would love to understand it better. So, the salmon faverolle and cinnamon queen could produce females and males that are basically colored like a salmon faverolle or would they lose the wheaten pattern, or would that just be up in the air?

 

[junebuggena]

I really want a book to read in this. I would love to understand it better. So, the salmon faverolle and cinnamon queen could produce females and males that are basically colored like a salmon faverolle or would they lose the wheaten pattern, or would that just be up in the air?

Wheaten is one of the most recessive of all pattern genes, so it will not likely express.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Correction. Hens can only have one silver gene to pass. It's the males that can be SS, ss, or Ss. Females can only be S or s.

Duh, I knew that. Hence the sex link.
I knew it wasn't a good time to be thinking genetics.

What's the parentage of the rooster?
RIR X RI white?

 

[jwyles]

Duh, I knew that. Hence the sex link.
I knew it wasn't a good time to be thinking genetics.

What's the parentage of the rooster?
RIR X RI white?

Haha. I certainly wasn't going to catch your mistake. Yes mom is RIW & dad RIR. I know this for certain bc my neighbor owns the parents & my very own bantam hatched this chick.

 

[jwyles]

Hope you all are still there bc I thought of another question I could utilize your tremendous expertise to answer... so here goes. I plan on hatching some eggs from the previously mentioned crosses. Should I change out my rooster to avoid inbreeding if I keep pullets from the hatches? Do most people change roosters every generation or how does that work? And if so is there a breed you would recommend for interesting mixes with my current and future pullets?

 

[junebuggena]

It's called line breeding. And chickens can be intensively line bred for about 8 generations before it really starts to be a problem. The more genetic diversity you start with, the longer you can maintain a closed breeding population.

 

[jwyles]

It's called line breeding. And chickens can be intensively line bred for about 8 generations before it really starts to be a problem. The more genetic diversity you start with, the longer you can maintain a closed breeding population.

Ok then. So I'm straight for 8 generations or longer then. All my birds, except a few, came from different places and are different breeds so I think I've got the genetic diversity part down.

Hey I saw on a website that birchen is a good base for Spangling. How do you use birchen to achieve Spangle?

 

[jwyles]

And what is the difference in a silver wheaten rooster and a gold duckwing rooster visibly? I can tell with the hens but the Roos really throw me.

 

[junebuggena]

Spangling is a bit tricky. It requires a few of the 'complex' pattern genes, these control the expression of the e-locus genes (basic patterns). You need dark brown to restrict the black of the birchen, Pg to give you penciling, and melanotic (M1) to push the black in the feather to the tips of the feather.
The difference between a wheaten rooster and a duckwing rooster are so subtle that I honestly can't tell. But it's pretty obvious in the down color of chicks. Duckwing chicks have striped heads. Wheaten chicks are solid, pale gold.