What to feed to avoid corn

[Wifezilla]

I do not see why you would like to avoid corn. This would be a danger to your flock if you live in a cold climate. I have a little over 100 chickens and corn is what keeps them alive during the MN winter.

Ummm...that is so wrong I don't even know where to start. There is nothing magic about corn. PROPER CALORIES and PROPER PROTEIN and FAT INTAKE allow the hens to maintain their body heat. Corn is like candy...mostly sugar.

Corn generates nutrients

No..it doesn't. In fact high carbohydrate intake (like corn or soy) can cause the body to require MORE nutrients. Vitamin B and Vitamin C are two mainly effected. Corn is mostly empty calories and due to the GMO issue, potentially dangerous. If you are only raising your birds to market weight and then slaughtering, you will not notice that many problems. If you have breeders you want to keep around for years, that is when issues really become apparent....excess fat around internal organs, fatty livers, low fertility are common signs.​

 

[PaulaJoAnne]

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One thing to note about sprouting the grains. It lowers the carbohydrates by as much as 75%.
I do agree that sprouting is fabulous, but its best to keep that portion of the feed fairly low.

 

[Organics North]

PaulaJoAnne,
Thanks.. I need to look into the carbohydrate issue.. I have been feeling it is a little too low. Need to up the amount of unsprouted whole grains. Protein information is readily available, however I need to find some good carbohydrate info. I have purchased organic poultry meal as free choice, to "Buffer" my errors as I try and develop a formula for their diet.

ON

 

[Chris09]

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No, hybrids are not genetically modified, and they're not created in a laboratory. They're created by deliberate cross-pollination. That's quite a different thing.

I have to Disagree.
Transgenic played its part with disease resistance. The Genes that provide resistance against tobacco mosaic virus was introduced into tomatoes sometime ago, from that we have a lot of today's hybrid tomatoes that have a resistance to the tobacco mosaic virus.
Any of the tomato hybrids that have the letter "T" or "TMV"after the name has a resistance to the tobacco mosaic virus.
I believe that there hybrids from the Flavr Savr tomato witch was the first "GMO" tomato.

Chris

 

[Cats Critters]

Guys either answer the question or leave the thread alone. Start your own thread or pm each other to discuss you thoughts on GM food, don't drag the tread down and get it locked.

 

[rosawoodsii]

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No, hybrids are not genetically modified, and they're not created in a laboratory. They're created by deliberate cross-pollination. That's quite a different thing.

I have to Disagree.
Transgenic played its part with disease resistance. The Genes that provide resistance against tobacco mosaic virus was introduced into tomatoes sometime ago, from that we have a lot of today's hybrid tomatoes that have a resistance to the tobacco mosaic virus.
Any of the tomato hybrids that have the letter "T" or "TMV"after the name has a resistance to the tobacco mosaic virus.
I believe that there hybrids from the Flavr Savr tomato witch was the first "GMO" tomato.

Chris

I think you're confusing terms. Plants that naturally cross may produce new strains. In fact, selective breeding is often employed to come up with new varieties that have a certain trait, including resistance. GM crops--or perhaps we should substitute the alternate term or Genetically Engineered crops--are bioengineered. They do not happen naturally, or by selective breeding, but in a petri dish.

TMV tomatos are not GM/GE according to popular and legal definitions.

 

[Chris09]

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I have to Disagree.
Transgenic played its part with disease resistance. The Genes that provide resistance against tobacco mosaic virus was introduced into tomatoes sometime ago, from that we have a lot of today's hybrid tomatoes that have a resistance to the tobacco mosaic virus.
Any of the tomato hybrids that have the letter "T" or "TMV"after the name has a resistance to the tobacco mosaic virus.
I believe that there hybrids from the Flavr Savr tomato witch was the first "GMO" tomato.

Chris

I think you're confusing terms. Plants that naturally cross may produce new strains. In fact, selective breeding is often employed to come up with new varieties that have a certain trait, including resistance. GM crops--or perhaps we should substitute the alternate term or Genetically Engineered crops--are bioengineered. They do not happen naturally, or by selective breeding, but in a petri dish.

TMV tomatos are not GM/GE according to popular and legal definitions.

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/T/TransgenicPlants.html

 

[dot n'dave]

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Ummm...that is so wrong I don't even know where to start. There is nothing magic about corn. PROPER CALORIES and PROPER PROTEIN and FAT INTAKE allow the hens to maintain their body heat. Corn is like candy...mostly sugar.

Corn generates nutrients

No..it doesn't. In fact high carbohydrate intake (like corn or soy) can cause the body to require MORE nutrients. Vitamin B and Vitamin C are two mainly effected. Corn is mostly empty calories and due to the GMO issue, potentially dangerous. If you are only raising your birds to market weight and then slaughtering, you will not notice that many problems. If you have breeders you want to keep around for years, that is when issues really become apparent....excess fat around internal organs, fatty livers, low fertility are common signs.​

If only us humans could take this advice for our own diet, our world would be way different.
(In a good way)

 

[Chris09]

Carbs in corn..

Kafir corn - 71% Carbs.
Maize - 69% Carbs.
Pop corn - 69% Carbs.

Chris

 

[Organics North]

So corn is high in carbohydrates. Then it seems the "standard" is a high carbohydrate diet for chickens. Is this is because it is good for the chickens or because corn is a cheap filler?
question is:
What is the optimum level of carbohydrates for a laying hens diet?? (For health.) NOT just for high productivity at the cost of health.

ON