Wheaten and Blue wheaten Marans Discussion Thread

[snowbird]

Walt , the way I read the SOP the white wing, Tail, would be a DQ and the white cottontail would be a fault. Comment on this please. Don

 

[EweSheep]

The feather in question was from my Welsummer rooster, hatched July 2010. He isn't fully grown and has much to fill out. His picture is in the Pinkchick's Welsummer post 2283 or on page 229.

So I yanked that poor guy's feather off to get a gooood look and it does not look like anything I've seen in old Welsummers that I culled. They developed WHITE spangles, very defined spangles like you see on Hamburgs. Those were from Christie Ritter's stock which she is trying very hard to cull alot out of it but it seems to me that the Barber birds are more prone to it.

I will wait and see this spring when his pulled feather is being replaced to see if the white persists and breed him to selective hens to see if his offsprings carry it.

I've heard most breeders are not that concerned, it is the type, comb, conformation, leg color and temperment along with egg shell color is what they are working on. particularly if it is a very exceptional rooster or the only one to work with.

So in UK Welsummer standard of perfection (I do not have a APA book for the Welsummer), they said No excessive white.............so some white would be acceptable?

 

[fowlman01]

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White wing and tail is a DQ in some breeds, but not the Marans....unless I am missing something. I did discover that white could be viewed as a foreign color though and that is a DQ. I will need some counsel with this one. Generally white is not a DQ unless it is a "positive" white. As in a white refrigerator. The white you see in most wings and tails have shades of other colors in it. I will meet with the SOP Committee this weekend and get and answer for you. We may need to clarify when and how much white would constitute a foreign color. The SOP is always being worked on to clarify some of these points. I ran into something else on here on BYC that is not addressed as clearly as it should be with another breed. The description for this particular breed has been in place for over 50 years and no one has ever asked the question that was asked here and it is a valid question. No one knew the bantam Holland weights have been wrong for years either.

The SOP is always a work in progress. I am bringing 5 copies of the 2010 SOP to Shawnee this weekend. I made 3 corrections last Friday and had 5 copies by this afternoon, if that gives a meaning to my work in progress statement. The printing is being done at this moment and it should be for sale in three weeks or so.

Walt

 

[snowbird]

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White wing and tail is a DQ in some breeds, but not the Marans....unless I am missing something. I did discover that white could be viewed as a foreign color though and that is a DQ. I will need some counsel with this one. Generally white is not a DQ unless it is a "positive" white. As in a white refrigerator. The white you see in most wings and tails have shades of other colors in it. I will meet with the SOP Committee this weekend and get and answer for you. We may need to clarify when and how much white would constitute a foreign color. The SOP is always being worked on to clarify some of these points. I ran into something else on here on BYC that is not addressed as clearly as it should be with another breed. The description for this particular breed has been in place for over 50 years and no one has ever asked the question that was asked here and it is a valid question. No one knew the bantam Holland weights have been wrong for years either.

The SOP is always a work in progress. I am bringing 5 copies of the 2010 SOP to Shawnee this weekend. I made 3 corrections last Friday and had 5 copies by this afternoon, if that gives a meaning to my work in progress statement. The printing is being done at this moment and it should be for sale in three weeks or so.

Walt

Walt, the white I am seeing in my Marans wheaten and BC are pure white wing and tail feathers. Thanks, Don

 

[fowlman01]

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When they say "no excessive white" that leaves the door open for some white.

White in the earlobes is the only white DQ I can find for a Welsummer in the SOP. It is listed under the Welsummer description, but it is also in the General DQ's for a red lobed bird.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

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White wing and tail is a DQ in some breeds, but not the Marans....unless I am missing something. I did discover that white could be viewed as a foreign color though and that is a DQ. I will need some counsel with this one. Generally white is not a DQ unless it is a "positive" white. As in a white refrigerator. The white you see in most wings and tails have shades of other colors in it. I will meet with the SOP Committee this weekend and get and answer for you. We may need to clarify when and how much white would constitute a foreign color. The SOP is always being worked on to clarify some of these points. I ran into something else on here on BYC that is not addressed as clearly as it should be with another breed. The description for this particular breed has been in place for over 50 years and no one has ever asked the question that was asked here and it is a valid question. No one knew the bantam Holland weights have been wrong for years either.

The SOP is always a work in progress. I am bringing 5 copies of the 2010 SOP to Shawnee this weekend. I made 3 corrections last Friday and had 5 copies by this afternoon, if that gives a meaning to my work in progress statement. The printing is being done at this moment and it should be for sale in three weeks or so.

Walt

Walt, the white I am seeing in my Marans wheaten and BC are pure white wing and tail feathers. Thanks, Don

I will run this by the SOP committee. I haven't seen many all white flights or tails in Marans, but I haven't looked at many wheatens.
There will be some at Shawnee and I will check them out. This last weekend I did see two BC females with black/gypsy faces though.
The APA Committee can change descriptions before or after a qualifying meet.

Walt

 

[EweSheep]

What are gypsy faces????

thanks for the comments on the Welsummer SOP. I know white earlobes are a DQ.

 

[fowlman01]

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It is sometimes called mulberry. The color of a Sumatra's face. These had face color like Sumatra females. Very dark and not even close to red.

Walt

 

[Illia]

Interesting, and I only thought pea combed birds were more susceptible to having gypsy face.

 

[nivtup]

We have Wheatens

A mix of Cottage Hill and Cree

I think I prefer them to our Black Coppers.

Photo is from last year, we have a fairly good group to work with this spring, the real culling will begin as we worked mostly on getting some numbers on the ground this last year. I think we have 13 hens / pullets to work with and 3 different roos to work with, the young and upcoming roo will probably be our breeder.

We have a mix going, I might thin the hens / pullets to those carrying stronger tails. For the most part, we have good coloring in both hens and roos, although all of our roos have the cotton ball effect going.

We will probably work on tail angles and combs this season, and possibly lean towards eggs color as well.

Our wheatens do not lay as dark as our BC's, probably 5's and 6's for most of the laying season.

Anyhoot

We hope to stay engaged with the Wheaten variety, and will be watching this thread for pointers.