Wheaten and Blue wheaten Marans Discussion Thread

[blackdotte]

I find the systems used in different countries very interesting. Our system is based on a Standards Committee, which calls for input from from Breed Clubs,Poultry Clubs and individual breeders. The latter more so in the rarer breeds. In this way a small number of people do not control the input. To us a Standard is the description of the perfect bird, not a description of what breeders currently have in their yards or what is the current judging fad is.

On mulberry faced birds,in breeds where it is not the Standard, I have found this occurs far more often on pullets of Extended Black & Birchen based breeds, and usually changes to the normal red colour when the pullet reaches sexual maturity and starts laying.
David

 

[berkeleysprings]

i agree 100 percent u took the words right
out of me
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[fowlman01]

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Maybe it is just me, but I don't see much fluff in those pics. Some look like they MAY have white feathers at the base of the tail (not fluff), but even that might be a stretch as none of the pictures are clear enough to tell if it is white or just the way sheen can cause a strange effect in photo's. I'm not saying that is the case though...just saying that the pics are not the best to make that determination.

In any event, it is not supposed to be there.

Walt

 

[berkeleysprings]

if thats the case and its perty clear that anyone can see that white cotton ball ( not a whitte feather) in all cases and examples shown you can see , i can see, my neighbor from his house can see every wheaten marans roo is not exceptable and we might as well just show hens ...And i thought bc were the bad one that needed lots of help
i cant beleave that as long aswheaten marans have been around in france and all the other places and all the breeders that have had them no one can produce a picture ......
i know that the sop is a thing to strive for and not obtainable , just something to wish for like bushs war on evil its a dream and i am ok to dream ... but there is a big big differance between dreaming and no chanbce what so ever ... i saw pictures somewere wheatens being shown in the states did they show birds with white fluff or were they thrown out(or dq) for haveing it ? i know there is no sop yet for wheatens but i thought they were at some shows ? someone like me that started 2 years ago with 2 roo and 3 hens from a few breeders so the genetic diversity is as spreed as much as i can its not enough to ever produce a cotton free wheaten rooster no matter how many times they mate
i said it b4 ,if all the outher countries cant do it and all the big breeders cant do it if no one can produce a picture how could this b ?







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Maybe it is just me, but I don't see much fluff in those pics. Some look like they MAY have white feathers at the base of the tail (not fluff), but even that might be a stretch as none of the pictures are clear enough to tell if it is white or just the way sheen can cause a strange effect in photo's. I'm not saying that is the case though...just saying that the pics are not the best to make that determination.

In any event, it is not supposed to be there.

Walt

 

[berkeleysprings]

i should say they might exist buit no one has come forward to produce evidence sorry abou8t the spelling always ....
ps i could be totaly wrong on my thoughts because i am a newbe of 2 years only

 

[snowbird]

Randy, I agree that I have yet to see a wheaten male without the cottontail. I also believe it is possible to breed it out by culling the the fowl that are producing this. I believe but do not know for sure yet, that the cottontail is produced by too light undercolor in the males. I also believe we could use a female with too dark of undercolor to produce males without the cottontail. I think we are all in the same boat as there has never been anything documented about breeding for type and color.

When we talk about the SOP and we do not have fowl that meet the SOP , that is the way it is supposed to be I believe. The purpose of the SOP is to give use guidelines on what we should expect if we had the perfect bird. Since no one has or will have the perfect bird, we need to use the SOP to help breed birds without as many faults as we can. When showing birds with faults can sure still win.

The white wing and tail feathers should be a DQ in my mind, by making it only a fault is sugar coating a major problem. If not a DQ then it should be allow in the standard that it is acceptable. Don

 

[snowbird]

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I do not see any cotton tail on the males, do they have the cottontail at the base of tail and end of back ? Do they have any white in wing and tail ? Thanks, Don

 

[cherylcohen]

hatch update, sorry to interupt the "white fluff" discussion....

2 out, 1 has been pipped, large hole, with beak showing and breathing for 24 hours now.... I don't dare open the bator to take the others out....argh

 

[Debbi]

Walt ~ I can see the "white fluff" in all of those pics. Some more than others

Don ~ I like your idea for breeding the fluff out. Use a darker colored hen to improve the undercoat, and establish a roo line. Then use the correct colored hens to produce/maintain your hen line. After color gets consistent, then breed the correctly colored roos to the correctly colored hens, and keep your fingers crossed! Is that what you are saying here, or have I not had enough coffee yet?

 

[snowbird]

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Debbi, I think we are on the same page here. I believe once we get the faults out the Wheaten will need to be double mated to keep the feather color we need to have to show them.

I hope everybody understands that I do not have a problem with anyone just breeding the Wheaten Marans for the eggs. I have seen a lot of dark egg laying wheatens. Just breed them anyway that makes you happy since you are the one that is paying for the feed. In order of importance for me, Type, feather color, egg color.. Don