Wheaten and Blue wheaten Marans Discussion Thread

[snowbird]

Just a small comment about my Marans. I cull very hard and feel this is the only way to get the type without it taking 20 years. I cull more than most because I have decided not to breed a Marans that has an obvious fault that will pass on the the young.

I will make a suggestion here about the Wheaten Marans, right at present about the only place to get any kind of info. is the French Marans site. I will state here and now that at the very least the White wing, Tail and cotton tail will be a fault. Only time will tell and we will just have to wait on the powers in the MCCUSA to decide. Walt has said these items will be at least a Fault. Don

 

[blackdotte]

The original Marans were a meat breed that laid a very dark egg. I find mine to be a good dual purpose bird.
The British,in the 1930s, bred in Light Sussex & Plymouth Rock blood to maintain meat quality & assist in sexing at day old.

Only time will tell and we will just have to wait on the powers in the MCCUSA to decide.

Does this organization have total control of your Standards in the US?​

 

[EweSheep]

I thought the APA has the upmost control what's in the standard instead of the MCCUSA.

 

[EweSheep]

Walt, this is the primary feathers I am talking about........good or bad? Any of you had feathers that look like this? Any of you had offsprings that had that trait? None of the parents had any white feathers for several generations and he was the ONLY one. None of his brothers had this either. A fluke or what?

Top of feather:

Underneath of feather:

 

[snowbird]

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Does this organization have total control of your Standards in the US?

David, In the USA the sponsering Marans club MCCUSA will have most to say of what is in the standard, with the APA having final say before they are accepted to the SOP. If there is anything the APA does not like about the proposed standard they will require it be taken out before acceptance. The APA has total final approval, Don

 

[snowbird]

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From the way this feather looks I believe it to be a JUve feather and most of the time it will molt out with the Juve molt. If it does not molt out I would cull if you are breeding for color and Type. Don

 

[fowlman01]

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The APA/ABA does not write the standards for breeds, they just make sure that they are reasonable. The breed standards are brought forward by individuals or groups. See page #4 for the APA comment about recognition. In a nutshell......a proposal is submitted with a breed/variety description. Five affidavits from five breeders saying that they have raised the breed/variety for at least five years and that they breed true. The APA also requires that the APA receives comments from judges who have judged the breed/variety at shows. (as a non standard breed). With the Marans there was already a lot of information at the French site and much of it was used by the APA to fine tune the submitted description. The APA suggested a number of minor changes to the submitted Marnans Standard, but only items that fit into the conventions of the existing SOP. As an example the APA rejected the range of tail angles proposed and asked the club to pick ONE.

I don't think the proposed Marans Standard and the French Standard are that far apart when it comes to conformation. The French don't always agree on color, so I won't go there. Color descriptions can vary quite a bit, but still mean the same thing when different words are used to describe the color(s)

Walt

 

[snowbird]

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The MCCUSA has proposed Standard responsibility and the APA will have final say on if it is acceptable or not. The proposed standard has to be approved by the Standards Committee before the acceptance show. The APA can require changes after the acceptance show I believe. Don

 

[snowbird]

Walt, do you know of a wheaten breeder of any breed that would have knowledge of how to breed the wheaten Marans with the white wing, tail and cottontail ? What I am looking for is someone that we could get pointers from. Most of the wheaten in USA have these three faults. Don

 

[fowlman01]

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From the way this feather looks I believe it to be a JUve feather and most of the time it will molt out with the Juve molt. If it does not molt out I would cull if you are breeding for color and Type. Don

I agree with Don's statement. I see feathers like this all the time in many breeds. People say it is genetic, too low in protein, etc etc. If I had a line of birds that showed this frequently I would start planting birds in the garden or however else you get rid of them.....just like Don is doing. Once you know it is genetic you have to eliminate it..or live with it cuz it is not going away by itself.

Walt