Wheaten and Blue wheaten Marans Discussion Thread

[berkeleysprings]

i can say i never had any with white in the wings
can someone post a wheaten roo with white in the wing ?
i would like to see

 

[pinkchick]

Don~ What is the latest (age) that you have seen the fluff show up? Have you seen it show up in an older bird, over 2 years of age? Thanks.

 

[knjinnm]

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Hi Katy,

Please post some close-ups of your Wheaten guys.

Thanks,
Joe

 

[snowbird]

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Kim, Most of my wheatens that are going to have the cottontail it shows up real young after the Juve molt. I might be wrong but I believe it is associated with the too light undercolor on the males, nothing to prove it yet though. Don

 

[fowlman01]

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It is very unlikely that the APA will allow fluff at the base of the tail without it being a fault. We rejected that proposal from the Dutch Bantam Club, so I can't imagine it flying with the Marans.
The white in the wing feathers can be a cut or DQ depending on how the Standard for the wheaten is written for the qualifying meet.

Walt Leonard
Chair of the APA SOP Committee.

Walt, If the white wing and tail feathers are not covered by sponsering club then it would revert back to the sop from my way of thinking.

Do you have any knowledge with breeding the wheaten pattern in any of the other APA breeds ? I am thinking that I should breed a wheaten male with darker undercolor to help get rid of the cotton. Thanks for any advice on this. Don

If a fault is not addressed in a breed standard you go to the general faults andgeneral DQ section. I think most judges would handle this (white) as a fault. White Wing feathers and tail feathers are pretty common in other wheaten varieties. From what I have read here, my take is that the Marans have more going on genetically than many other Wheaten breeds, other than the Oriental breeds. The Orientals have also had some folks adding all kinds of things to them over the years because they were looking for other qualities other than the color of the bird. The wheaten games breed pretty true, although I often see BBRed male Oe's that are really wheaten in color. To me BBR and Wheaten males should be very easy to distinguish, but judges many times place one or the other even though they are entered in the wrong color. (this is males only).

Walt

 

[snowbird]

Walt, Thanks for commenting on the post. If you see anything that is not good on any of the posts please make a correction for us if you will. There is really no where to go for guidance on these wheaten Marans. Don

 

[knjinnm]

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Kim, Most of my wheatens that are going to have the cottontail it shows up real young after the Juve molt. I might be wrong but I believe it is associated with the too light undercolor on the males, nothing to prove it yet though. Don

Hi All,

Once the white fluff shows up does the Rooster lose it at an older age?

Joe

 

[snowbird]

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Kim, Most of my wheatens that are going to have the cottontail it shows up real young after the Juve molt. I might be wrong but I believe it is associated with the too light undercolor on the males, nothing to prove it yet though. Don

Hi All,

Once the white fluff shows up does the Rooster lose it at an older age?

Joe

I do not think so as I feel like the cotton tail get bigger with age, it might just seem that way . Don

 

[knjinnm]

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Actually the white ear lobes look very nice. I can imagine the RJF prancing around trying to attract a hen. So maybe the solution is to come up with a new Marans with RJF colors.
Joe

 

[blackdotte]

So maybe the solution is to come up with a new Marans with RJF colors.

So then you would have a Marans variety with two disqualifications.
It would basically be a white lobed ,dark grey legged version of a Golden Salmon Marans.
Are you also changing the type, so it has the shape of a RJF?
Sorry can't see the point.

Re the reference about Wheatens bred as recessives from BCs, I note that whilst most a reasonably good birds I have seen some faulty ones.

Both Columbian & Dark Brown are epistatic on the Birchen allele,(can not be seen) their presence becomes obvious on the Wheaten allele - they look like very badly marked Black-tailed Buffs,
Many dark shanked BC are so because they lack the Dermal Inhibitor, not a big problem with BC as dark shanks whilst not preferred are accepted, but a Wheaten that lacks the Dermal Inhibitor will have unacceptable grey shanks. Mahogany may also be inherited from BCs, this is seen on males as very dark red neck & tail hackles, & very dark red neck hackles on hens.

David​