Wheaten and Blue wheaten Marans Discussion Thread

[Debbi]

Randy,

Sorry, none of those look round to me. With the really round ones, they are almost impossible to tell pointy end from round end. We're talking, literally, golf balls round!

I have a fairly new layer now that is producing an oblong shaped egg. Instead of being round, some of her eggs are long, yet rounded at both ends!

I'll have to take a pic the next time I get one, I've fed the rest to the dogs.

 

[berkeleysprings]

that would b great, and color
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[knjinnm]

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Hi Randy,
I admire your ability to limit the size of your flock, many ... myself included end up keeping too many birds making it difficult to achieve our goals.
Joe

 

[Debbi]

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We have kinda stayed away from the descriptions lately hoping the MCCUSA will complete the proposed standard. Will give you what I believe to be correct on the proposed Show wheaten marans female. The front of neck and chest should be cream for a SOP type wheaten.For raising the wheaten male we should use a female with more wheaten in the neck and chest area and hopefully a little darker undercolor. This is where the single matings come into play.

Thanks Don, I knew you'd know that!

I don't recall seeing any hens like that yet though. Got any of that type of color pattern? It sure would be pretty, but if it means that the roos won't be much, colorwise, why do they go with that? Why not go with a color type/pattern that produces both nice hens and roos? Kind of seems counterproductive to me, to have to single mate some of the different varities just to get decent coloring...but that's just me.

 

[snowbird]

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We have kinda stayed away from the descriptions lately hoping the MCCUSA will complete the proposed standard. Will give you what I believe to be correct on the proposed Show wheaten marans female. The front of neck and chest should be cream for a SOP type wheaten.For raising the wheaten male we should use a female with more wheaten in the neck and chest area and hopefully a little darker undercolor. This is where the single matings come into play.

Thanks Don, I knew you'd know that!

I don't recall seeing any hens like that yet though. Got any of that type of color pattern? It sure would be pretty, but if it means that the roos won't be much, colorwise, why do they go with that? Why not go with a color type/pattern that produces both nice hens and roos? Kind of seems counterproductive to me, to have to single mate some of the different varities just to get decent coloring...but that's just me.

Debbi, If only it was a perfect world. Contrary to what most say if you are breeding parti colored fowl to get the highest percentage of good sop type fowl we must single mate and double mate. Most of my female have the cream throat and chest.

 

[jeremy]

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We have kinda stayed away from the descriptions lately hoping the MCCUSA will complete the proposed standard. Will give you what I believe to be correct on the proposed Show wheaten marans female. The front of neck and chest should be cream for a SOP type wheaten.For raising the wheaten male we should use a female with more wheaten in the neck and chest area and hopefully a little darker undercolor. This is where the single matings come into play.

Thanks Don, I knew you'd know that!

I don't recall seeing any hens like that yet though. Got any of that type of color pattern? It sure would be pretty, but if it means that the roos won't be much, colorwise, why do they go with that? Why not go with a color type/pattern that produces both nice hens and roos? Kind of seems counterproductive to me, to have to single mate some of the different varities just to get decent coloring...but that's just me.

Debi, I agree, I don't understand the single mating practice for males/females at all.

If that's what it takes to get a "perfect" example of the SOP, what happens when you cross the two lines? Do all of the faults come back into play? To me, that's not a bird that breeds true, which isn't that a requirement to be accepted into the APA SOP?

Just my thoughts.

 

[snowbird]

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Thanks Don, I knew you'd know that!

I don't recall seeing any hens like that yet though. Got any of that type of color pattern? It sure would be pretty, but if it means that the roos won't be much, colorwise, why do they go with that? Why not go with a color type/pattern that produces both nice hens and roos? Kind of seems counterproductive to me, to have to single mate some of the different varities just to get decent coloring...but that's just me.

Debi, I agree, I don't understand the single mating practice for males/females at all.

If that's what it takes to get a "perfect" example of the SOP, what happens when you cross the two lines? Do all of the faults come back into play? To me, that's not a bird that breeds true, which isn't that a requirement to be accepted into the APA SOP?

Has nothing to do with two lines. You are breeding within one line and using the different shades of wheaten to produce what you are looking for in the end product. No different in any other breed.

Just my thoughts.

 

[snowbird]

I kinda messed up the last post, will add that when you are looking for a certain shade of color it is all about balancing the colors and shades to get what you are looking for in the end.

 

[Debbi]

Hi Jeremy

That's my thinking too. So Don, if you do get an SOP colored hen and breed her to a SOP colored roo, are both of the sexes going to suffer colorwise in the new generation? Or is it possible to get SOP out of an SOP x SOP cross? Also, with single matings, what percentage of the pullets come out with the correct color? May I assume that there is going to be a mix of color patterns even with the compensatory matings? Not trying to be difficult, just trying (yet again!) to learn something here.

 

[jeremy]

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I shouldn't have used the word lines, or I should have been more clear. By "lines" I meant working with birds, regardless whether they're Davis, WJ, etc. that you use to "produce" a certain gender.

So, darker females produce more correctly colored males and vice versa. Now, say that works and you get gorgeous dark males, who are correctly colored with no white feathers, etc. And beautiful creamy Wheaten females who have the desired "tri color".

What happens though when you breed those birds together? Will they only produce the same dark males and light females? OR because you're no longer breeding for a certain gender will they throw all sorts of things again?

Is that breeding true?

I don't know if I'm communicating my point clearly enough, what I'm trying to say makes sense upstairs I just can't seem to get it out right.