When is a breed not a breed?

[okiehen]

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Yes its still a Dalmatian and DNA would back this up.

Some smart intelligent person needs to start DNA testing chickens.
I was thinking the other day if DNA would or is being used in chickens.

I would hope that even though it is still a Dalmation. It would be spayed or neutered and placed as a pet.

That's what a good breeder would do and should do.
It still a Dal just pet quality.
This being said I'm not going to offer hatching eggs from them.
Eating egg yes.

 

[Cuban Longtails]

Cubalaya are white legged only, unless they're black.

I would not breed my slate legged cubalaya hen with the intention of creating more slate legged cubalaya in any color other than black.

The duckwing lines tend to yield an occassional slate legged pullet. She happened to be one of those unlucky pullets.

 

[halo]

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The problem with saying a barred rock doesnt have to have yellow legs to be a barred rock, is that it could instead be a hatchery quality cuckoo marans laying lousy eggs. Who knows the difference? Which is exactly why we have breed standards. Without the defining breed characteristics of a barred rock, they could be just that.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I was just talking about this today but with dogs and cockers. My grandmothers cocker has short little ears but it is registered and everything, looks nothing like a cocker though, its slim and all. Then a friend has a cocker with huge ears that touch the ground and the body meets the standard. Personally I wouldnt breed from either dog but the different breeders have different goals in mind when breeding.

Another related question-when does a variety stop being a variety and become its own breed? Like the bearded japs, the person decided to breed them to the jap standard but they could have tried to make them a breed. Almost like the Anconas and Leghorns. They meet the same standard basically but the color is different. To me when I look at Anconas I look for a leghorn in type but with mottling.

 

[jywel417]

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I agree with speckledhen on this one. It is one of the reasons I have issues with doodles, they don't breed true, granted it is a dog breed but it is still a mutt in my opinion, sorry if that offends anyone. I would say as long as they breed true 99.9% of the time you have a breed still. If you have a doberman with AKC registration that has a Z in the reg number then it is from a white line and can throw a white/albino puppy. It is not a healthy thing and imo the dogs that have z in their registration number need to be spayed/neutered and not bred and the white/albino ones DEF need to be spayed/neutered but even tho the color is off, it is a mutation but it is still a doberman. Unfortunately ppl have decided that this "color" is cool and "rare" and "valuable" so breed and inbreed the heck outta their dogs to reproduce it to make upwards of 1k per puppy. but as long as you have 2 chickens that you breed together that breed true, I think it would be considered a breed . . . . I think no matter what you breed tho every now and then you are thrown a wild card . . . . as long as you don't have 2 orpingtons that all of a sudden throw a turkey, idk I think you might be okay . . . .

 

[TimG]

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Yes its still a Dalmatian and DNA would back this up.

Some smart intelligent person needs to start DNA testing chickens.
I was thinking the other day if DNA would or is being used in chickens.

I would hope that even though it is still a Dalmation. It would be spayed or neutered and placed as a pet.

Why is it more important to spay or neuter the spotless Dalmatian than it is to spay or neuter any other dog?

I agree that someone who breeds show dogs would not want to continue this line. But that doesn't mean that any offspring this dog has won't make wonderful pets.

If I have a Barred Plymouth Rock with the "wrong" color legs that is a good layer and I want more good layers, why not breed her? Even to a rooster from a different breed? If I want to produce show quality Barred Rocks, of course I wouldn't breed her.

In short: isn't your objective important?

Edit: important "n't" added...

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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Why would you breed a bird that has the wrong color legs for a show quality bird?

There's nothing wrong with breeding for laying. It's when the birds that don't represent the standard for which they are being sold that there is an issue.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Yet they are poor examples of a breed and will only continue to breed more inferior examples ...

Yet some breed standards (and the dog world is rife with this) are not for the betterment of the breed, and actually cause it harm.

AKC accepts any dog with the correct pedigree from birth. JRTCA requires that the dogs be a year old and have a very thorough health exam that includes specific tests for health conditions that might be genetic. Any negative results require that the dog be neutered for acceptance.​

 

[amazondoc]

The working definition of "breed" has to be different in chickens than in dogs, because dogs have pedigrees (official documents of their lineage) while chickens don't. So we can examine a dog's heritage independently of its appearance, while we can't do the same with a chicken.

Therefore -- in dogs, a dalmatian is a dalmatian if its pedigree shows that all its ancestors have been dalmatians for at least 5 generations -- whether or not it has any spots. But in chickens, we are only certain that a Marans is a Marans if it shows most of the physical characteristics of the breed. Of course, if we don't have a dog's papers then we are thrown back to the chicken definition -- we have to depend on the appearance.

And that part about breeding true? Hah. Just try to get an araucana to breed true!

 

[amazondoc]

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Millions of "wonderful pets" die in shelters every year. We don't need to be making more of them right now unless there is a VERY good reason for doing so.