Where can I find Penciled Runner ducks for sale?

[DuckyDonna]

No, he's considered White. He definitely had other color genes since white just 'covers them up', but he was white. One of the original parents were white, and white is recessive, so all the ducklings you got from those parents were split to white. Then you bred them together, and of course a white duckling was produced - your drake, which you lost. All your birds from the original pair are split to white and could still produce whites if they were bred to a white bird or a bird carrying white.




Do you have a current picture of him? I vaguely remember awhile ago we were questioning if he was chocolate or black. When he first molts, do the new feathers come in brown, or black? I'm thinking he may be a black that is just sun bleaching brown. A real chocolate would be chocolate all the time.




The white on the chest is Bibbing. It's a dominant gene, linked to Extended Black. If you breed a duck that's on the black base, bibbing comes along with it. You can remove this bibbing by adding the Dusky gene, which is how you can get solid black/blue/chocolate etc birds without the bibbing.

Pied is caused by the Runner gene which, as you would imagine, is named after Runners and their Fawn and White coloration. Pied is white markings places other than the chest. It's what causes the white markings in Fawn and White color, it's what causes the white patterning in Magpie, it's what causes the white in Ancona color, etc.

thank you! I will take a picture of Sambo tonight from a couple of angles and in the sun.

 

[TomCahalan]

@Pyxis

How did the younger drakes and ducks get bibs when their father doesn't have a bib? M+ is dominant to md so it must come from their mothers. F&W and Penciled are normally homozygous dusky, but could they be M+?

Ignoring the Mallard/dusky gene, here is what I am thinking regarding their genes:

Original White: ee BlBl cc RR d(d)
Original Penciled: ee blbl CC RR d(d)

Blue F&W Drake: ee Blbl Cc RR dd
Blue F&W Ducks: ee Blbl Cc RR d

Current Penciled: ee blbl Cc? RR d
Craigslist Black drake: EE?, blbl, CC? rr DD

Craigslist Black drake x Blue F&W ducks:
Black duck: Ee blbl CC? Rr D
Black drake Ee Blbl CC? Rr Dd
Blue duck: Ee Blbl CC? Rr D
Blue drake: Ee Blbl CC? Rr Dd

Craigslist Black drake x Penciled duck: Ee blbl CC? Rr
Black duck: Ee blbl CC? Rr D
Black drake Ee Blbl CC? Rr Dd

 

[Pyxis]

@Pyxis

How did the younger drakes and ducks get bibs when their father doesn't have a bib? M+ is dominant to md so it must come from their mothers. F&W and Penciled are normally homozygous dusky, but could they be M+?

Ignoring the Mallard/dusky gene, here is what I am thinking regarding their genes:

Original White: ee BlBl cc RR d(d)
Original Penciled: ee blbl CC RR d(d)

Blue F&W Drake: ee Blbl Cc RR dd
Blue F&W Ducks: ee Blbl Cc RR d

Current Penciled: ee blbl Cc? RR d
Craigslist Black drake: EE?, blbl, CC? rr DD

Craigslist Black drake x Blue F&W ducks:
Black duck: Ee blbl CC? Rr D
Black drake Ee Blbl CC? Rr Dd
Blue duck: Ee Blbl CC? Rr D
Blue drake: Ee Blbl CC? Rr Dd

Craigslist Black drake x Penciled duck: Ee blbl CC? Rr
Black duck: Ee blbl CC? Rr D
Black drake Ee Blbl CC? Rr Dd

My thoughts are that the mothers may not be homozygous dusky. Who knows what was going on with the original white father? Obviously whatever color genes he had going on were on the Mallard base, since the ducklings hatched mimic fawn and white in some ways, but he might not have been dusky, which leads to none of the offspring being homozygous dusky. So M+ probably was there in the original ducklings acquired, and is still hanging around.

Or, second option, if the mothers are homozygous for Runner, which they might be, then the white we're seeing is indeed one copy of the Runner gene manifesting. It's just manifesting in the area that a bib would. That would make the offspring actually pied, not bibbed.

It's harder when the origin pair's genetics are sort of unknown, and even worse when one of them is white, lol.

 

[DuckyDonna]

here are the pictures I took of the dad chocolate/whatever. It was getting darker out so these might not be good enough to see the colors.