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I could really use some help from experienced breeders and enthusiasts of ultra-rare breeds and hybrids, and fill me in on what sells, what breeds are worth keeping over the years, do they remain valuable over years periods of time? Could you show me or tell me how these very expensive ones have fluctuated over time? Which factors are most important to buyers when they are purchasing these big ticket poultry? I am poor and have little money to invest. I am terrified that I am going to spend thousands of dollars on chickens to find out that none hold value and that they are all worth around $5 (which is the average going rate for baby chicks) within less than a year.
I am a business major in college, having spent the majority of my life in a city. I have had little farming experience. I got introduced to breeding chickens by seeing an article on facebook about ayam cemanis. However after doing my share of research I have found that the breed is not all it was hyped up to be. I was fascinated by it but later found out that it may be too good to be true, because the prices listed on Greenfire farms and others. Since then I have done a lot of research, from the threads here and other places, and have found that there have been many instances where the chicks are not all black, inside the beaks, claws, white feathers, interspecies breeding, low birth rates, low fertility rates, and other reasons. Especially the price. Two breeders on here are selling theirs for $25 and $35.
From what I have learned from economics, the market decides the price. When the supply equilibrium exceeds the demanded price, then price goes down. How can prices remain stable over time when chickens produce so much offspring so fast?
To me this risk is even greater complicated by the fact that the breed is not even recognized by the Standards of Perfection by the American Poultry Association.
I have been doing lots of research into the most valuable chicken breeds, and what I learn only leads me to greater confusion. There are soooo many different chicken breeds it blows my mind. Which ones that the breeders are stating as rare are actually valuable? Many are lost breeds of the old world reintroduced into New World economy, and they are stating that is the reason which the asking prices are so high. As far as I can see, if I spend a small fortune on some obscure chicken breed, and no one cares about the chicken breed to buy them, then I am stuck with a huge bill and a ton of poultry that I could not give away. Could any of you direct me to literature that explains breed value, what makes them valuable, and which ones are going to maintain high prices over time?
There are so many different types of chickens, and some of them are just genetic mutations that are not easily replicated, and not actually breeds at all. If they are not breeds, and I spend $1000 on some genetic anomaly, that is not expressed in the following generations, then I am a fool. Here are some things that have confused me. Variations of legbar for example. There are a lot of hybrids of them, such as golden, silver, cream, frost white sport cream, white sport cream, etc. Which of these will make money over time? Who is to say that the value will not plummet?
Could any of you enlighten me on which breeds and hybrids are valuable? So far the only reference I have is breeders on sites like Greenfire farms, cemani farms, watson ridge ranch, and others. How can I determine which of those sites have fair prices, and which chickens are actually worth their prices and valuable over time?
Here are some of the breeds I am considering creating flocks of;
ayam cemani
shamo (low birth rate, very agressive, atypical housing)
serama
tolbunt polish
lavender / jubilee
orpington
bekisar hybrid
pelung
laughing chickens
bielefelder
barbezieux
american bresse
bresse
barnevelder
chocolate partridge / lavender wyandotte
deathlayer
flarry eye gray
lemon / gold / silver frisian gull
isbar
ixworth
liege fighter
light sussex
lyyonaise
malines
marans
merlerault
niederrheiner
olandsk dwarf
orust
pavlovskya
queen silvia
silver spitshauben
sulmtaler
swedish black hen
swedish flower hen
twentse
yamato gunkei
icelandic chickens
blue fauvacana
holland
croad langshan
malay
modern game
easter egger
partridge penedesenca
This is a ridiculously long list, and I want to sort this to a few that will fit my needs best. I have no idea where to start. I am concerned that the majority of these birds are just obscure because nobody has wanted to breed them, and therefore people are charging a lot of money for them because they are not common. I do not understand how in the 21st century there can be breeds of chickens that do not all cost just about the same price. Chickens have so much offspring per year, that it makes sense to me that they would, at this point have all bottomed out and cost just about the same, with the exception of breeds that are more difficult to breed, or have higher housing costs.
Please help me navigate through all of this. I need help from people who have followed the market over time.
Thanks again,
Cory
I am a business major in college, having spent the majority of my life in a city. I have had little farming experience. I got introduced to breeding chickens by seeing an article on facebook about ayam cemanis. However after doing my share of research I have found that the breed is not all it was hyped up to be. I was fascinated by it but later found out that it may be too good to be true, because the prices listed on Greenfire farms and others. Since then I have done a lot of research, from the threads here and other places, and have found that there have been many instances where the chicks are not all black, inside the beaks, claws, white feathers, interspecies breeding, low birth rates, low fertility rates, and other reasons. Especially the price. Two breeders on here are selling theirs for $25 and $35.
From what I have learned from economics, the market decides the price. When the supply equilibrium exceeds the demanded price, then price goes down. How can prices remain stable over time when chickens produce so much offspring so fast?
To me this risk is even greater complicated by the fact that the breed is not even recognized by the Standards of Perfection by the American Poultry Association.
I have been doing lots of research into the most valuable chicken breeds, and what I learn only leads me to greater confusion. There are soooo many different chicken breeds it blows my mind. Which ones that the breeders are stating as rare are actually valuable? Many are lost breeds of the old world reintroduced into New World economy, and they are stating that is the reason which the asking prices are so high. As far as I can see, if I spend a small fortune on some obscure chicken breed, and no one cares about the chicken breed to buy them, then I am stuck with a huge bill and a ton of poultry that I could not give away. Could any of you direct me to literature that explains breed value, what makes them valuable, and which ones are going to maintain high prices over time?
There are so many different types of chickens, and some of them are just genetic mutations that are not easily replicated, and not actually breeds at all. If they are not breeds, and I spend $1000 on some genetic anomaly, that is not expressed in the following generations, then I am a fool. Here are some things that have confused me. Variations of legbar for example. There are a lot of hybrids of them, such as golden, silver, cream, frost white sport cream, white sport cream, etc. Which of these will make money over time? Who is to say that the value will not plummet?
Could any of you enlighten me on which breeds and hybrids are valuable? So far the only reference I have is breeders on sites like Greenfire farms, cemani farms, watson ridge ranch, and others. How can I determine which of those sites have fair prices, and which chickens are actually worth their prices and valuable over time?
Here are some of the breeds I am considering creating flocks of;
ayam cemani
shamo (low birth rate, very agressive, atypical housing)
serama
tolbunt polish
lavender / jubilee
orpington
bekisar hybrid
pelung
laughing chickens
bielefelder
barbezieux
american bresse
bresse
barnevelder
chocolate partridge / lavender wyandotte
deathlayer
flarry eye gray
lemon / gold / silver frisian gull
isbar
ixworth
liege fighter
light sussex
lyyonaise
malines
marans
merlerault
niederrheiner
olandsk dwarf
orust
pavlovskya
queen silvia
silver spitshauben
sulmtaler
swedish black hen
swedish flower hen
twentse
yamato gunkei
icelandic chickens
blue fauvacana
holland
croad langshan
malay
modern game
easter egger
partridge penedesenca
This is a ridiculously long list, and I want to sort this to a few that will fit my needs best. I have no idea where to start. I am concerned that the majority of these birds are just obscure because nobody has wanted to breed them, and therefore people are charging a lot of money for them because they are not common. I do not understand how in the 21st century there can be breeds of chickens that do not all cost just about the same price. Chickens have so much offspring per year, that it makes sense to me that they would, at this point have all bottomed out and cost just about the same, with the exception of breeds that are more difficult to breed, or have higher housing costs.
Please help me navigate through all of this. I need help from people who have followed the market over time.
Thanks again,
Cory