White Rock Hen cross

[The Moonshiner]

Were you guys trying to spell out what I said about the two basic colors?

Ha.
Is it always gotta be about you?
No I was just putting info out there for anyone that cares to read it.
If it is spelling out what you said cool. If not that's also cool.

Seems you're the new self proclaimed genetic expert here? Do I need to run everything by you before I post or is this still a forum free for us all to post what we want?
I know you get really bent about misinformation and often ask for proof from others but I never noticed where you offer any of your proof. Curious why? Hell I'm still waiting on pics of those orps of yours.
Hope you get that I'm just giving you grief. Where all friends here right? We're friends right?
I do value your opinions as well as value others. And to me this is all this forum is mostly about. Opinions and experiences.
You have yours, I have mine and they have theirs and I'll read everyones.
I just take it with a grain of salt and don't rely on anything or everything on here as fact.
Have a good day and relax a little this is just a forum you know?

 

[gojira]

What proof do you want? Anything I say can be verified. I can direct you, and others, to books and journals that back up what I say. As for the pictures, I will try to post one soon. Like I said, I have some on a camera, not this phone. I have some gangly 5 month olds right now, but they have a lot of filling out to do.

 

[The Moonshiner]

No worries on those pics. I have the opposite problem. All I ever have are phone pics and I've lost so many with phones crashing and burning. I had some good pics on this site but when they switched it up all those got lost too.

I can't think of any proof off the top of my head right now I just notice you ask others all the time but you post a lot of genetic stuff without any proof.
When I see something in the future I question I'll call you on providing it.
What do you know about exchequer leghorn genetics? Always curious about them. Everyone says they're black with mottled gene. I don't believe they're that simple. Something else is going on with them. I've bred them and other mottled birds to know they aren't the same.
Pm me if you have any info or ideas. Don't want to hijack this thread.

 

[gojira]

The reason I tend to ask people to back up what they say is because I have noticed that if someone on here, or on the internet in general says something, and if it is not challenged, people blindly believe it, even if it defies common sense. Some people just make stuff up to sound big. Some people go by claims made 100 years ago that may have been guesses, or usually marketing ploys. I just try to get people to think about what they type.

 

[Titan Farm]

@gojira
At on time you asked where the proof was that hatcheries sell cross bred birds, well the easiest way is to look and see if they sell Rhode Island Whites and if the R.I. Whites have single combs. If they do have single combs then there selling a cross bred fowl and calming it to be a R.I. White.
As you may know the R.I. White is a Rose Comb breed and was never a single comb breed, so how do these hatchery birds that they claim are R.I. Whites single have a comb if there not cross bred?

Now before someone comes along and thinks oh the answer is simple they just bred a rose comb R.I. White with a single comb R.I. Red keep in mind that the R.I. White and the R.I. Red are completely different breeds and that offspring of that breeding would also be crossbred birds.

Now my way of thinking is this, if a hatchery is lying about one 'breed' that they sell then there lying about all 'breeds' they sell. So if a hatchery is selling one cross bred line fowl as a 'breed' then what's stopping them from doing the same with the other birds they sell?

 

[The Moonshiner]

That's a stretch to prove hatcheries are selling crossbreeds. And a stretch to think all their birds are probably crossbreeds.
Rhode island whites have always been around with straight combs. No straight comb RIWs aren't recognized by the APA but they're still been bred to have them.
A better example would be their americanas/ EEs. Everyone knows they aren't even a true breed but are being sold as such.
Then again to get technical wasn't all breeds started by crossing breeds?
So wouldn't all breeds be crossbreeds by your argument?

 

[gojira]

@gojira
At on time you asked where the proof was that hatcheries sell cross bred birds, well the easiest way is to look and see if they sell Rhode Island Whites and if the R.I. Whites have single combs. If they do have single combs then there selling a cross bred fowl and calming it to be a R.I. White.
As you may know the R.I. White is a Rose Comb breed and was never a single comb breed, so how do these hatchery birds that they claim are R.I. Whites single have a comb if there not cross bred?

Now before someone comes along and thinks oh the answer is simple they just bred a rose comb R.I. White with a single comb R.I. Red keep in mind that the R.I. White and the R.I. Red are completely different breeds and that offspring of that breeding would also be crossbred birds.

Now my way of thinking is this, if a hatchery is lying about one 'breed' that they sell then there lying about all 'breeds' they sell. So if a hatchery is selling one cross bred line fowl as a 'breed' then what's stopping them from doing the same with the other birds they sell?

How do you know the Rhode Island Whites sold by hatcheries are a cross? Cochin was used to create Rhode Island Whites, and they have single combs. In Wyandottes, which are an even older rose combed breed, there are occasionally single combed sports hatched. It is possible that single combed Rhode Island Whites are pure, just single combed sports that have been bred over time.

Breeders cross breeds, so is it wrong when they do It? People keep claiming hatcheries cross breeds, but there is no evidence to support it.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Ya Wyandottes are a good example. I've even got single comb wyandotte from breeders. Idk why but many keep breeding them.
Imo RIWs are a whole different deal because they're breeding single comb lines. That's all you get so its not like sport single combs are popping up out of rose comb lines.

 

[Titan Farm]

How do you know the Rhode Island Whites sold by hatcheries are a cross? Cochin was used to create Rhode Island Whites, and they have single combs. In Wyandottes, which are an even older rose combed breed, there are occasionally single combed sports hatched. It is possible that single combed Rhode Island Whites are pure, just single combed sports that have been bred over time.

Breeders cross breeds, so is it wrong when they do It? People keep claiming hatcheries cross breeds, but there is no evidence to support it.

On the same hand there is no evidences that hatcheries sell pure bred fowl either.
As for the R.I. Whites and the comb, I raised/raise rose come R.I. Red and and a few R.I. Whites and I never had a single comb pop up not even with line breeding and inbreeding.

 

[gojira]

How long have hatcheries had their Rhode Island Whites? They may have gotten them when single combed sorts were more common, and they tended to select them for breeding. Thete is a lot of evidence they sell pure bred poultry. You might have to understamd a bit of genetics to understand that. Hatcheries are the only source for some breeds and varieties. I am not defending hatcheries. I try to buy elsewhere, because i show poultry, and I do want to preserve older lines.