Why don't people listen... Rant

[Ladies-Eight]

HA they should make it that hard to adopt CHILDREN ... we have had this situation on adopting and we had a great dane fella we kept for three years and he was a handful, we had two other Dane's as well that were wonderful, this dog would knock my husband down all the time and for someone with a bad spine not a good thing, we finally couldn't take it any more and went through Dane's in distress to find him a loving home where he could be the only dog and center of attention, I could not believe what they put clients trough to get a dog,i honestly don't think adopting children is that harsh ...
And with your comment Aussies are very high energy and need a lot of exercise and to see some chickens running around it's game on lets play and they have no clue they are not to play with them .. problem is and I hate to say it "you can't fix stupid "

As they use to say "Here's your sign"!

 

[BDutch]

People are so often afraid of just speaking the truth (kindly). This woman who is allowing her chickens to be taken by predators over and over needs people to say "I have put a lot of time and effort into hatching these chicks and I want them to be protected and live long happy lives so I'm afraid I cannot, in good conscience, sell any more to you in light of your chicken-keeping practices. My chicks are not disposable". It could be why people unload such venom on social media...we have lost the ability to confront others truthfully and kindly. Maybe we all need to do more of that.

Still reading the thread. Catching up. But I had to respond to this one. This is one of the reasons I love BYC. People here are (in general) nice to each other. Trying to help each other. Giving good or less good advices depending on their own experience or readings (knowlegde).

If a person gives a stupid advice you are not telling the OP/poster (s)he is stupid or even worse.

Where I live people tend to be more intolerant an nasty to each other (online/ on social media). They often tell the (their) truth without taking the feeling of the OP/poster into consideration. People often want to convince others that the way they think and do things is the only good way. And if you dare telling you don’t follow up their advice, but choose another method/solution, you know nothing, are worthless and stupid.
IMO The best way is to be honest with respect.

People rarely do things wrong on purpose. The lady in question is not learning quick and finds its difficult to follow up advices, but probably isn’t doing the wrong things on purpose too.

IMO: If you sell you’re precious chickens it’s a good thing to ask about the coop, security, feed etc. If it doesn't feel good to sell, you don't have to.

Maybe you can invite someone who is new with chickens, to help you to feed the chickens, check the security and clean out the coop. Sometimes people learn more hands on.

 

[CatMom2]

I have read a lot about the care of chickens and have a well built coop & run that my son constructed. We don’t fuss over anything. We use cedar shavings in the nesting boxes. We do not vaccinate. We certainly don’t neuter them. We have the happiest, free range chickens that have a coop and run with feed and water available. Snacks everyday. Some know their names and they have a call sequence especially for me. Eaxh morning I release them from the coop into a large fenced area until mid morning, then I release them to free range until they return to the coop on their own. We lock them in the coop at sundown. We have one Cochin that we got 3 1/2 years ago & she was old when we got her. Her previous owner had her in her backyard with another old hen & didn’t want them to die there. We don’t know how old she is. She still lays an egg now and then, more so when we add a couple of pullets. The other old one died after about 8 months. We don’t ever slaughter our hens as they are like pets that give us eggs. After they stop lying, we give them a good life until they die of old age. We haven’t had any diseases or problems with the hens. A stray dog killed one hen a year ago as they were returning to the coop. We’ve had a few others that refused to return to the coop and were killed when they slept in the trees & under my house. The majority of our hens know where they are supposed to go & are happy to do so. We’ve been fortunate as neighbors on our hill have had bears & other predators kill their chickens. We live in a rural area where there are many predators. We’ve been blessed with great little ladies and fortunate that predators haven’t been a problem. I pray that remains as I’m very attached to my girls.

 

[Oolala]

Loved reading your rants, people like that should not keep animals, all animals need the interaction, care and love of a human to survive and be happy and healthy

 

[Oolala]

Still reading the thread. Catching up. But I had to respond to this one. This is one of the reasons I love BYC. People here are (in general) nice to each other. Trying to help each other. Giving good or less good advices depending on their own experience or readings (knowlegde).

If a person gives a stupid advice you are not telling the OP/poster (s)he is stupid or even worse.

Where I live people tend to be more intolerant an nasty to each other (online/ on social media). They often tell the (their) truth without taking the feeling of the OP/poster into consideration. People often want to convince others that the way they think and do things is the only good way. And if you dare telling you don’t follow up their advice, but choose another method/solution, you know nothing, are worthless and stupid.
IMO The best way is to be honest with respect.

People rarely do things wrong on purpose. The lady in question is not learning quick and finds its difficult to follow up advices, but probably isn’t doing the wrong things on purpose too.

IMO: If you sell you’re precious chickens it’s a good thing to ask about the coop, security, feed etc. If it doesn't feel good to sell, you don't have to.

Maybe you can invite someone who is new with chickens, to help you to feed the chickens, check the security and clean out the coop. Sometimes people learn more hands on.

I think a lot of people just think to go and buy a few chickens, it will be great, we will get lots of FREE eggs every day!!! All we need is a little box for them to sleep and lay in, throw them a bit of grain, little do they know how much work is involved and believe me there is no such thing as a free egg??? It costs me a lot more to look after my four, a lot more heatache when they are ill and I cant cure them with sleepness nights trying to work out what I can do better, how can I make their lives more comfortable and happy but the joy I get watching them free ranging in the garden, despite them digging up my flowers and digging dust bath holes is worth it all. Newbies to having chickens should read websites like this one to learn from the experience of others. If not, just go to the supermarket and buy a dozen eggs, much quicker and easier

 

[Building Bridges]

Still reading the thread. Catching up. But I had to respond to this one. This is one of the reasons I love BYC. People here are (in general) nice to each other. Trying to help each other. Giving good or less good advices depending on their own experience or readings (knowlegde).

If a person gives a stupid advice you are not telling the OP/poster (s)he is stupid or even worse.

Where I live people tend to be more intolerant an nasty to each other (online/ on social media). They often tell the (their) truth without taking the feeling of the OP/poster into consideration. People often want to convince others that the way they think and do things is the only good way. And if you dare telling you don’t follow up their advice, but choose another method/solution, you know nothing, are worthless and stupid.
IMO The best way is to be honest with respect.

People rarely do things wrong on purpose. The lady in question is not learning quick and finds its difficult to follow up advices, but probably isn’t doing the wrong things on purpose too.

IMO: If you sell you’re precious chickens it’s a good thing to ask about the coop, security, feed etc. If it doesn't feel good to sell, you don't have to.

Maybe you can invite someone who is new with chickens, to help you to feed the chickens, check the security and clean out the coop. Sometimes people learn more hands on.

Excellent suggestion.....and very true! Respect is what everyone wants....we can lead them to the right way respectfully or prove OUR WAY is right and discourage them from asking. We've gotta build those bridges!

 

[Building Bridges]

to the coop on their own. We lock them in the coop at sundown. We have one Cochin that we got 3 1/2 years ago & she was old when we got her. Her previous owner had her in her backyard with another old hen & didn’t want them to die there. We don’t know how old she is. She still lays an egg now and then, more so when we add a couple of pullets. The other old one died after about 8 months. We don’t ever slaughter our hens as they are like pets that give us eggs. After they stop lying, we give them a good life until they die of old age. We haven’t had any diseases or problems with the hens. A stray dog killed one hen a year ago as they were returning to the coop. We’ve had a few others that refused to return to the coop and were killed when they slept in the trees & under my house. The majority of our hens know where they are supposed to go & are happy to do so. We’ve been fortunate as neighbors on our hill have had bears & other predators kill their chickens. We live in a rural area where there are many predators. We’ve been blessed with great little ladies and fortunate that predators haven’t been a problem. I pray that remains as I’m very attached to my girls.

Sounds like chicken heaven to me.

 

[FortCluck]

Fortunately, she is now listening, researching, and making the needed changes.

Thing that gets me, in this day and age where info is easy and accessable, why don't people research and educate themselves before jumping in feet first?

Because people impulse buy on animals all the time and usually never do their research until something horrible happens.

 

[WallyBirdie]

Client wanted chickens. However, she's not there every day. Told her the basics, but she didn't listen.

Purchased a coop-run combo said to hold 15 birds, but only realistically holds 3, barely. (3×3.5). Put up poultry fencing for a larger run, then purchased 10 standard chicken and 4 Ginny's.

Seeing she wasn't going to be around all the time, she purchased 2 mini Australian Shepherds to protect her flock... I voiced my opinion, which she didn't like.

Pups are outside only. Live in the barn or garage. Very little human interaction. Guess what? Pups got a little older, and bored, and decide to do what bored puppies do. Chase what's available. Chickens. Two missing chicken's and ginny's. Feathers all over the place.

Now she's wondering why, and what to do about it. Why don't people do their homework before they commit.

Sorry for the rant. Highly frustrated.

Oh goodness no!
I understand the ranting. This is all terrible! Chickens and guineas need adequate space and attention! They aren't plants! You can't just water them and go, leave them grow in one spot and assume things to be fine!
And the puppies... You can't have a dog, not work with it, and expect the right behavior.

This is a sad and frustrating story.

 

[Virginia John]

Aussies aren't even for small livestock!! They were bred in the American west for cattle and horses.