Why on Earth is it called "Andalusian Blue"?!

[rodriguezpoultry]

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I am still waiting boys...

I'm female.

 

[Dustin Biery]

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but do you??..

Just returning the jab. "They" was the word I used to refer to RoPo, probably should have used a different term, but oh well.

 

[nicalandia]

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hey friend, check this link out, the good doctor is talking

http://www.the-coop.org/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000580#000006

hey who needs a Poultry Science degree when your teacher is Dr. Ron Okimoto and your classroom is the COOP..?...

 

[Krys109uk]

Thanks that's interesting. I'd really like to see some.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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Who is "they"?

It doesn't seem so bizarre, to me, that a gene gets named after the breed in which it was studied & of which it is a breed characteristic.
I don't know, but it might be the earliest blue breed. It is a rather old breed.

I was looking Punnett's Heredity in Poultry & Hutt's Genetics of the Fowl; they described B^SD as a blue. Does this allele of B look blue? If so what shade? I've never seen it. What does it look like? Anyone got pics?

I think Dustin was trying to keep my gender a secret!

Using "they" helps keep genders discreet.

I suppose it's not such a big deal, it's just confusing to me. I mean, we do not call the color black by the first breed to exhibit the color?

nicalandia, I do not believe I was rude to you...I'm not quite certain as to what you're waiting on??

Dr. Okimoto WAS one of my teachers, he left the university, but his wife is still there, or was this last semester...Krys is already a member on the COOP.

Krys, I'm not as familiar with gene alleles/names as I should be, can you go more in depth as to the B^SD name?

 

[nicalandia]

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you don´t..?..

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oh lucky you......

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yup yup..

 

[Dustin Biery]

Pretty sure Okimoto needed a Poulry science degree to become a Dr.......I still haven't seen any real good explainations as to the reasoning behind the "Andalusian Blue" coloration.

ETA: Was a member at the Coop long before I was on BYC.

 

[Krys109uk]

Krys, I'm not as familiar with gene alleles/names as I should be, can you go more in depth as to the B^SD name?

Sex linked dilution, an allele to the barring/ not barred genes (I want some).

Pretty sure Okimoto needed a Poulry science degree to become a Dr

I thought he was a geneticist, specialising in poultry. Could be wrong. I'd have thought a doctorate in genetics would be more the thing.

Was a member at the Coop long before I was on BYC.

Weren't we all?

 

[agnes_day]

blue chickens are pretty!

 

[saladin]

I think I know the answer.

First, it is not called Andalusian Blue by all groups: ie cockers don't use this phrase.

Second, the phrase seems to be confined to fanciers and some (though not all) older genetic resereach material which tended to be fancier influenced.

That stated, if I remember correctly the Andalusian (Blue) was the first and for a long time the only blue fowl to be listed in the Standard of Perfection. When other fowl of the blue color were added (much later) then they tend to carry the appelation "Andalusian" to refer to the fact that they were laced blues.

See, blues as you well know, were found in other fowl as well; particularly in Games which are much older than the Andalusian breed. Since cockers don't tend to breed for color (at least that is what they claim) their blues were laced, non-laced, light blue, dark blue, etc. etc. Fanciers knew this also because of their original close connection with cockers. Thus, when breeds other than the Andalusian started showing up "blue" the fanciers demanded they be laced like the Andalusian (self-blue came much much later in the exhibition hall). So, they were called Andalusian Blue.

Understand, I'm taking an educated guess here based on my experience and reading older materials. Sorry for my rambling, but I think I'm close to being right. And unlike some other post in this thread I'm actually trying to answer the question.
saladin