Will my dog get sick eating chicken poo residue that has been wormed? HELP ASAP

[chooks4life]

Oops sorry Kathy just one last last question. I wormed two days ago and now my neighbor has a broody hen and wants a few fertile eggs. Will they be dead or deformed if her hen hatches them? I have been just throwing the eggs out since I wormed them. I wouldn't want to give her unfit eggs. Thanks

If you check the product makers' website it will tell you for sure.

I personally wouldn't risk an animals' health and future on hearsay or guesstimates of whether or not the chemical is ok to be used in breeders; many wormers come with a disclaimer saying specifically NOT to breed within 'x' amount of time after worming (it ranges from a few weeks with some drugs up to a year with some other drugs).

It is the breeder's responsibility to take precautions for the wellbeing of the animals they breed. To be ethical and humane, I would check first so as to avoid chancing hatching deformed infants. Even if they look normal there's a decent chance they're not; these guidelines exist for a reason.

Best wishes.

 

[Julie1977]

Thank you for the advice, I would not want to see anything be born other than next to perfect. I will check the med website for facts first Thanks again, Julie

 

[casportpony]

This is the only documented reference I have seen about fenbendazole (Safeguard) and breeding season. All other wormers listed in my books have no such comments.




You might want to check this link out:
http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2699&Itemid=2987

And this:
http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/pharmacology/anthelmintics/overview_of_anthelmintics.html

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

If you check the product makers' website it will tell you for sure.

I personally wouldn't risk an animals' health and future on hearsay or guesstimates of whether or not the chemical is ok to be used in breeders; many wormers come with a disclaimer saying specifically NOT to breed within 'x' amount of time after worming (it ranges from a few weeks with some drugs up to a year with some other drugs).

It is the breeder's responsibility to take precautions for the wellbeing of the animals they breed. To be ethical and humane, I would check first so as to avoid chancing hatching deformed infants. Even if they look normal there's a decent chance they're not; these guidelines exist for a reason.

Best wishes.

In the US there is only one wormer "approved" for use in poultry - Wazine (piperazine) and this is what it says:

"WARNING: Do not medicate prior to slaughter within 14 days for turkeys and chickens and 21 days for swine. Do not use in chickens producing eggs for human consumption."

All other wormers are considered "off label", so the mfg websites are very unlikely to have info regarding *any* side effects of them in poultry.

-Kathy

 

[Julie1977]

Thanks for the very informative links. I guess you do learn something new everyday lol. I never knew there was so much to learn about chickens! But they are worth it as I do love them Julie

 

[tridentk9]

A friend's dog was on ivermectin for mites, higher dose than heartworm preventative, but he still hadn't made it to therapeutic dose. Even with a clear/clear mdr1 (multiple drug resistance) DNA test, he reacted with neurological signs. Sometimes it happens even if the dog is mdr1 clear.

Dogs can reach a toxic level of ivermectin if they eat tainted feces. http://www.californiaveterinaryspecialists.com/news/Beware-Horse-Poop-Can-Be-Deadly-To-Your-Dog-n20/

How many chicken poops will the dog eat?

FYI and off topic- I'm convinced the inventors of PacMan had pets. Initially I thought dogs but watching chickens eat treats it may have been chickens. Though it may have been a dog eating chicken poop (see, there was a connection).

 

[casportpony]

A friend's dog was on ivermectin for mites, higher dose than heartworm preventative, but he still hadn't made it to therapeutic dose. Even with a clear/clear mdr1 (multiple drug resistance) DNA test, he reacted with neurological signs. Sometimes it happens even if the dog is mdr1 clear.

Dogs can reach a toxic level of ivermectin if they eat tainted feces. http://www.californiaveterinaryspecialists.com/news/Beware-Horse-Poop-Can-Be-Deadly-To-Your-Dog-n20/watching chickens eat treats it may have been chickens. Though it may have been a dog eating chicken poop (see, there was a connection).

How many chicken poops will the dog eat?

FYI and off topic- I'm convinced the inventors of PacMan had pets. Initially I thought dogs but

The dose that horses get is 0.2mg per kg, which is what a chicken *should* get, too, but it's impossible to give such a small amount of the 1.87% paste.

The therapeutic dose of ivermectin paste for a 6 pound chicken is about 0.03ml, but most people give 10x that. I'd hate to think about how much ivermectin is in chicken poop, lol.

-Kathy

Edited to add:
Dose for a 6 pound chicken using the 1.55% ivermectin should be about 0.035ml.

Edited again to say that the 0.03ml and 0.035ml doses are for ivermectin, but the amount of praziquantel needed to treat tapes is more than that... will post later with those amounts.

 

[chooks4life]

In the US there is only one wormer "approved" for use in poultry - Wazine (piperazine) and this is what it says:

"WARNING: Do not medicate prior to slaughter within 14 days for turkeys and chickens and 21 days for swine. Do not use in chickens producing eggs for human consumption."

All other wormers are considered "off label", so the mfg websites are very unlikely to have info regarding *any* side effects of them in poultry.

-Kathy

Funny how everyone uses so many other wormers on them, lol... Anything goes it seems.

I did expect the brand websites would have little to no useful info, but worth mentioning them; I've already seen that info you provided though, but hopefully it will help someone who has done no previous research. Drug makers themselves don't tend to be clear about risks unless someone puts thumbscrews on them, lol. Vested interests and all that.

If you check the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) for chemicals you tend to find more useful info; searching the internet with the right terms will also generally provide the studies that lead to the wormers being declared unsafe for breeders, complete with the list of defects etc caused by them. Some cause genetic damages and can be semi-permanently introduced into family lines, and may be effectively invisible yet still present a threat not only to the health of the animals and their offspring, but also to the people eating the animals or their eggs.

Best wishes to all.

 

[Julie1977]

Thank you so much for the link