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Ugh... I don't know how accurate wikipedia is.. But the best info is in this link about the wolf I'm talking about. If you click on the hi lighted wolf names it takes you to a sight that tells Which wolves and extinct and which ones aren't. Kinda some cool wolf info.
http://www.mt-sfw.com/adminclient/WolfSpecies/go
 
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There is a real good reason they are not putting the Canadian grey wolf in the states you mention.
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Had to look it up to know but the Timber wolf (gray wolf) is what is native here an making a comeback. The red wolf is what they have been repopulating with for years though.
 
I am curious... you refer to Mother Earth as an entity is this due to personal observation of a creature I have never seen or a figment of your imagination. This assignment of Mother Earth presumes that it is a female and it is deity to be reverend. I am trying to grasp your logic. Looking both ways is a learned behavior but reasoning whether or not what the effect of not proceeding is not an animal behavior. Who teaches their children to lie and steal? How do they figure out how to do it then? How does a wolf figure out to not eat bait from a trap? They don't.


You make these threads very difficult to remain civil when you post absurd unsubstantiated claims that animals and people are on the same intellectual plane.
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I have been following this thread from the beginning. Even posted once or twice. There are many on here from both sides of the fence that are obviously very passionate about this subject; and rightfully so. However, I have yet to see anyone blantanly post anything false. Just because someone does not agree with what you are saying, and has their own views of the subject, is no reason to say they are causing problems, and that it makes it "difficult to remain civil". If you are finding it difficult to stay civil, maybe its time to call it a day? You didn't really expect to post a thread like this and not get people that feel passionate about both sides of the problem, did you? To say that someones view on life is absurd and unsubstantiated is a bit offensive imo. Just saying.
 
I am open to other ways of responding to insults to my intelligence. You are right, no response would have been more fitting.



I have been following this thread from the beginning. Even posted once or twice. There are many on here from both sides of the fence that are obviously very passionate about this subject; and rightfully so. However, I have yet to see anyone blantanly post anything false. Just because someone does not agree with what you are saying, and has their own views of the subject, is no reason to say they are causing problems, and that it makes it "difficult to remain civil". If you are finding it difficult to stay civil, maybe its time to call it a day? You didn't really expect to post a thread like this and not get people that feel passionate about both sides of the problem, did you? To say that someones view on life is absurd and unsubstantiated is a bit offensive imo. Just saying.
 
I have been following this thread from the beginning. Even posted once or twice. There are many on here from both sides of the fence that are obviously very passionate about this subject; and rightfully so. However, I have yet to see anyone blantanly post anything false. Just because someone does not agree with what you are saying, and has their own views of the subject, is no reason to say they are causing problems, and that it makes it "difficult to remain civil". If you are finding it difficult to stay civil, maybe its time to call it a day? You didn't really expect to post a thread like this and not get people that feel passionate about both sides of the problem, did you? To say that someones view on life is absurd and unsubstantiated is a bit offensive imo. Just saying.

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I am open to other ways of responding to insults to my intelligence. You are right, no response would have been more fitting.



Quote: Again, just because someones point of view differs from yours, does not mean someone is trying to insult your intelligence. At least not intentionally, I don't think. That's what makes forums interesting, different points of view. Would be rather boring if everyone shared the same opinion, wouldn't it?
 
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I have never been accused of being boring
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Again, just because someones point of view differs from yours, does not mean someone is trying to insult your intelligence. That's what makes forums interesting, different points of view. Would be rather boring if everyone shared the same opinion, wouldn't it?
 
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Wolves do not kill for the love of killing...that would be humans...how many people do you know that have mounts from animals that they enjoyed killing? Or pictures of themselves with animals that they killed? Wolves don't do that at all...they kill, eat, and move on...

I'm sorry, but YES they do! Some of you guys have this unrealistic, romantic notion about wolves.
Wolves do kill for fun!

The following is an interview by Kelly Wood of the All American Patriot (AAP)with probably the most well-known and respected experts on wolves today, Jim Beers,Robert T Fanning Jr,Dr. Valerius Geist Ph.D. , Will Graves B.A.,Bill Hoppe and Dr. Delane Kritsky.
AAP: Speaking of animal kills, there is controversy with the wolf advocates over claims that Wolves kill for sport . . . Does this really happen?
HOPPE:
Yes, it’s called a number of other things, including “sport killing.” The scientific term is “surplus killing reflex”. Any Rancher who spends any amount of time paying attention at all, has witnessed this . . . ahem . . . “surplus killing.” Just this past year, in early summer, I was in the Lamar Valley where I personally saw 3 adult wolves ferociously kill and rip apart 10 Elk Calves. They viciously and quickly brought the calves down and proceeded to rip away at the carcasses, fiercely shredding away but oddly they failed to eat anything from the carcasses that they were ripping and shredding. It took them all of a half hr. to do this and after they appeared to tire, they just wandered away.
GRAVES: The official Russian literature on the topic is clear. My letter to Ed Bangs cited data that included documented observations of a single wolf killing 39 reindeer in one attack and another killing 29 in a single attack. It also discussed an incident documented in Sweden in 1977 of one wolf killing between 80 and 100 reindeer in 19 days. The popular misconception is that wolves are noble killers, preying only on the aged, weak, and infirm – The reality is that wolves are opportunistic killers and have an affinity for females that are in late stages of pregnancy and young animals. Sometimes it takes several days for wolves to kill a moose. In the end, they are eating the moose alive — something they also do frequently with sheep.
GEIST: There’s no question about that that this is part and parcel of the nature of wolves. When they have the opportunity to kill in excess, just simply kill and leave, kill and leave, and go on killing, they will do so. This has nothing to do with Yellowstone wolves, Russian wolves — this is a universal characteristic of wolves, period. By the way, grizzly bears will do the same thing. Colleagues have observed them in the Arctic when they were killing calves of the caribou herd. They would just run through the caribou herd killing one calf after the other.
GRAVES: My extensive research I did on the characteristics and behavior of Russian wolves both in Russia and former Soviet Union I found extensive evidence that wolves were surplus killers. The point that usually comes up is why do they engage in surplus killing, and when do they do it. I tried to answer that in my book. The why is for the scientist but there’s no doubt in my mind that wolves are surplus killers and there’s another term that I sometimes use is wanton killing. Wanton killing is when maybe a wolf will just accidentally stumble on a white tail deer or something and will just kill it for the sport, just one game animal. I call it wanton killing. Surplus killing is when maybe a few wolves, maybe three or seven, will kill 30, 40, 50, a hundred sheep in a two or three-hour period. That’s what I call surplus killing.
GEIST: At any rate, this is part and parcel of normal wolf biology. When you introduce wolves, that’s what you will realize.
 
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I am curious... you refer to Mother Earth as an entity is this due to personal observation of a creature I have never seen or a figment of your imagination. This assignment of Mother Earth presumes that it is a female and it is deity to be reverend. I am trying to grasp your logic. Looking both ways is a learned behavior but reasoning whether or not what the effect of not proceeding is not an animal behavior. Who teaches their children to lie and steal? How do they figure out how to do it then? How does a wolf figure out to not eat bait from a trap? They don't.


You make these threads very difficult to remain civil when you post absurd unsubstantiated claims that animals and people are on the same intellectual plane.
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My view of Mother Earth as an entity or a deity is irrelevant. This planet has been called "Mother Earth" for ages, so I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by your attempt at condescension regarding my use of this term. I have found that a lot of people do this when they don't understand something or it makes them uncomfortable.

Regarding my making it difficult for you to remain civil in this conversation, perhaps it might have gone better for you had you had indicated in your opening post that only those that agreed with you could read and post.
 
http://www.dfw.state.or.us/Wolves/imnaha_wolf_pack.asp

This is the official Inmaha pack history from ODFW.

These are the kills that the state admits to under thier process of determination.


As for thrill killing by wolves they will do it as seen in an OPB special in Yellowstone that is aired from time to time on National Georaphic channel. It is also documented by other state wildlife managers.

http://wallowavalleyonline.com/wvo/?p=9930


http://www.saveelk.com/wolf_003.htm warning graphic this one has a lot of videos showing what is said to not happen

http://www.dailycoyote.net/?p=1408 Graphic also. but a fair perspective.
http://mtmultipleuse.org/endangered/wolf_pics.htm

Use your own judgement but watch some of this first.
 
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