Worming Goats

[helmstead]

Carefull you'll get accused of pot stirring like I did! You don't want your posts edited do ya?

I think I've already said enough...I gave the OP advice for one thing, strongly against another...

 

[Goattalker]

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well guess what, I never said anything about chemical or toxins.
I just mentioned that I did use chewing tobacco on my goats, and guess what, the worms ceased..I did not try any other treatment.was it coincidence? might be. did it work? I would say yes.. you will not change your mind.. have you ever tried it? didn't work for you?? too bad..

to OP. try the tobacco. If it does not work, try something else..

many of today's medicines came from "old wives remedies".. and many of the ingredients come from natural sources, yet..

No I have never tried chewing tobacco, I heard about it, and I DID RESEARCH before using it. 7 vets said it was of no benefit to the goats or horses, and that using it was dangerous and irresponsible.

 

[ksacres]

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Speaking of pots, what are pot-stickers? I saw some at the grocery store and saw a recipe for some a while back. Are they just like pyrogies or something?

 

[cluckychick]

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And now I'm seconding Helmstead. Herbal wormers are not only ineffective, but they are also (this is the part you need to pay attention to) documented to have caused severe toxic reactions (I'm not talking anaphylactic shock {which can occur with nearly anything in a susceptible goat}, I'm talking poisening), up to and including death. Show me a goat that was poisened/od'd by Ivermectin, and I'll show you a goat that had some underlying condition (like liver failure from poor nutrition).

Herbals are NOT researched or approved by the FDA. There is no "approved safe level" of herbal wormer. The strength can vary bottle by bottle and you have no recourse.

Why would you put something in your goat that isn't safe (or effective) when there are plenty of other options that are?

One other reason I like Ivermectin (aside from it's incredible margin of saftey) is that it takes care of external parasites as well. The lower number of chemicals I have to put in or on them, the better.

I have a question....I can't find Ivermectin for goats specifically, I find it for horses, sheep, cows. Where do you get it specifically for goats? I picked up some Positive Pellet Goat Dewormer Medicated but have not administered yet because I was hoping to come upon some Ivermectin.

 

[helmstead]

You don't you have to use it off label.

 

[cluckychick]

So which one sheep, horse, cow? Also how much per pound of goat?

 

[ksacres]

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There isn't one labeled for goats. Actually, most of the time things you will use on your goats is just "off label" useage of something for cattle.

I get mine from www.jefferslivestock.com they have the best prices on most things.

 

[cluckychick]

Thank You

 

[bheila]

cluckychick- As with a lot of the meds you won't find them goat specific. You can use Ivermectin for goats even though it doesn't say "for goats."

 

[ksacres]

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Depends on if you do it orally or inject it, you can do either with it. We used to give it orally (1 cc per 20 pounds), now we give it sub-cutaneously (1 cc per 85 punds). We have a sizable herd of rather "large-boned" girls, it was costing way to much $$ to dose orally. Ivermectin DOES sting for a few minutes, so if you chose to go the injectable route, don't be alarmed if they stamp their feet and look at you like you're the devil for a few minutes-they'll get over it.

Don't get the paste ivermectin, it's not nearly as effective as the injectable.