Would you accept a rooster with curled toes?

Personally, I have had crooked toes develop over time, and did research this. I have found it is, indeed, a vitamin deficiency. It can be that the breeders had this deficiency. Though this article is about hatchability, it is relevant here. This is an article I like to share ..... I am finding alot of problems that people talk about ARE vitamin deficiencies. Commercial feed is made with the minimum amount required for most fowl. We will all come across birds that require more. As well, many do not add these necessary nutrients to their breeders.

By Mark Pattison, Paul McMullin, Janet M. Bradbury

Nutrition and Hatchability

The importance of the nutrition of the dam is indicated by the fact that the egg must contain all the nutrients needed by the embryo.

Development in the egg and for a week or more after hatching is, as far as fat soluble vitamins and some other factors are concerned, reliant upon supplies from the yolk. Hence, deficiency signs in newly hatched chicks (and often within the next 7 - 10 days) usually reflect a breeder feed inadequacy rather than a relationship with the starter feed.

It is difficult to affect the relative protein, fat, and carbohydrate content of an egg via the diet of the hen, but the concentration of the vitamins and trace elements in her blood and tissues directly influences that in her egg. Hence, analyses of egg yolk to determine vitamin and other deficiencies in the breeder may be the preferred and more direct route than blood or tissue sampling of the relevant hens.

Even at acceptable rates of hatchability a proportion of dead-in-shell embryos may exhibit nutritional signs, as detailed above, as a result of individual variations of metabolism.

It is of basic importance to realize that hens can produce eggs with dietary levels of vitamins that will not allow the eggs to hatch (except in the case of Vitamin A deficiency, in which the cessation of production occurs first).

Nutrient deficiencies may give rise to malformed embryos or reduction in hatchability, but it may be difficult to identify by the examination of the embryo the nutrient deficiency responsible for the poor hatchability, since the time of embryonic death will often depend on the degree of deficiency involved. Thus, it has been shown by experiment with pantothenic acid that, while in extreme deficiency hatchability may be totally suppressed, in milder deficiencies a peak of early mortality (1-4 days) occurs but later peaks change according to the amount of pantothenic acid in the diet. Most water-soluble vitamins have a similar effect.

In practice the nutrient deficiencies most likely to give rise to reduced hatchability, unless adequate breeder supplements are used, are Vitamin B2 (riboflavin), and some others of the B group (eg biotin), Vitamin E, manganese, zinc, phosphorus.

Early death may be related to:
* Biotin
* Vitamin E deficiency (vascular lesions).

Later death (ie later and around mid-term) may be related to:
* Riboflavin (anaemia, oedema, micromelia, mesonephros degeneration, and clubbed down)
*Phosphorus (no specific abnormalities)
*Zinc inadequacies (faulty trunk, limb, beak, brain and eye development - abnormalities associated with development of the skeletal mesoderm).

Death during the last few days and at hatching, may be related to deficiencies of the following:
*Vitamin B2 (clubbed down, curled toe, micromelia, degeneration of the myelin sheath of peripheral nerves, degeneration of embryonic Wolffan bodies)
*Biotin chondrodystrophy, syndactyly, characteristic skeletal deformities, ataxia, and chondrodystrophy in newly hatched chicks)
*Folic Acid (chicks may be of normal appearance but die soon after pipping; in severe depletion chondrodystrophy, syndacryly, and parrot beak)
*Vitamin B12 (malposition, myoatrophy, chondrodystrophy, oedema, hemorrhage)
*Manganese (chondrodystrophy, parrot beak, globular head, cervicothoracic oedema, retarded down feather and body growth, micromelia and ataxia in newly hatched chicks) - bone formation defects are probably associated with abnormal mucopolysaccharide in the organic matrix of bone. Vitamin B12 and manganese deficiencies may be associated with extreme reduction in hatchability.

Nutritional deficiencies may be direct (ie due to inadequate supply in the feed). This can be the result of nutrients not being added, badly mixed or badly stored feed. Alternatively, dilution by post-manufacture addition of cereals to formulated rations can be implied.

Indirect deficiencies can be caused by antagonists such as mycotoxins, inadequate absorption (eg parasitism or disease), underconsumption (eg overcrowding), or the results of an inappropriate drug inclusion.

While "nutritional deficiency lesions" are commonly seen in dead-in-shell embryos, incorrect feed manufacture is now seldom incriminated and definitive deficiencies of single nutrients are rare. Instead, a miscellany of lesions suggestive of a number of nutrient shortfalls is the commoner finding. It has also been reported that syndromes, which seem to mimic the signs of certain deficiencies, may be evident despite adequate supplies of that nutrient in the feed (eg a clubbed down syndrome has been seen in flocks well supplied with Vitamin B2).

Definitions, for those who may not know:

chondrodystrophy: A disturbance that affects the development of the cartilage of the long bones and that especially involves the region of the epiphysial plates, resulting in arrested growth of the long bones.

myoatrophy: atrophy or wasting away of the muscles.

syndactyly: A condition in which two or more of the toes are joined (fused) together.

oedema: The presence of an excessive amount of fluid in or around cells, tissues or serous (resembling, producing, or containing serum) cavities of the body.

micromelia: abnormally small and imperfectly developed extremities.

ataxia: shaky and unsteady movements or loss of the ability to coordinate muscular movement.
 
One toe on each talon lay on its side. I was told it was to relieve the pressure due to the size of the middle talon. The birds are around 6 months.
 
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Will be very honest with you. If I paid what you did for these chickens and no agreement was made for you to accept crooked toe chickens. What they were feed has nothing to do with accepting damaged goods. When culls are sold there should be an agreement made before delivery. What caused them to be crooked toe has nothing to do with them shipping culls as good birds. Don
 
I got two young coronation cockerels with curled toes also. They got worse instead of better as they grew. The breeder replaced them gladly, without question. He is within driving distance, so it was no big deal to exchange birds.
 
Vitamin deficiency, incubator problems, or very likely a genetic component caused by inbreeding. Bottom line is you paid decent money and were sold birds that were physically impaired. If you bought them knowingly that's one thing, but if you bought physically "perfect" birds- you have been shafted. Selling birds like this without disclosing these defects is poor business. I would be big time ticked!
 
I would like to see photos. Sometimes the written description makes up think different things. I know that there are 2 unrelated disorders listed (with photos) in the Chicken Health Handbook, that could match "curled toes." They actually look very different from each other as well as having different causes.
 
in mine, the inner toe, the one closest to the other foot, bent at the first joint and the toe sorta laid over on its side and the claw joint pointed sideways, eventually turning sharp enough to be pointed a little toward the back. The good thing about the coronations is they are fast developers and make GREAT table birds!!! I personally am selecting for the best possible traits, but if the breed ALL ended up with a sidways toe, I'd keep them around just for the meat.
 
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I think some are missing the point that the poster is making. It has nothing to do with what caused the crooked toe. The poster was shipped cull chickens for good money and this is just not right. Don
 
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I think some are missing the point that the poster is making. It has nothing to do with what caused the crooked toe. The poster was shipped cull chickens for good money and this is just not right. Don

I understand that. But my request is still valid. HOW curled are they? A tiny bit or extremely? Are they actually curled, or not?
 

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