If he had kept his place in line, the guy behind him would have gotten the winning ticket. How can that not be correct? The numbers would not have changed based on who was first in line. I am no mathematician but that makes sense to me.
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Yeah, randomly generated is randomly generated. It was still his turn in line, and that random number went to him, hence, winning ticket. I don't get how it could not work that way?
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Okay! Let me see if I can explain this better.
Quick pick ticket numbers are chosen by a RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR.
Their is absolutely no odds associated to the numbers being generated, no order, no rhyme or reason. In theory I can go in today at 12 noon buy a quick pick ticket and the odds of buying that same series of numbers or not buying that same series of numbers remains absolutely the same thoughout the entire contest. If the odds of winning are 2 billion to 1, those odds remain the same no matter how many tickets are sold, when I buy my ticket, where I buy my ticket from or what position in line I am.
For instance the guy in front buys a quick pick, the computer spits out a series of numbers that were randomly decided, absolutely at random. That ticket has the exact same odds of winning as any other ticket, with any other series of numbers. Then I purchased my ticket, once again the computer spits out a series of numbers that were randomly decided, and that ticket has the exact same odds of winning as any other ticket. Further more the odds of getting any series of numbers (winning or otherwise) remain the same through out the entire game. The odds of recieving that particular set of numbers remain the same, regardless of timming of purchase. Even if you chose your own numbers using birthdays, anniversaries, eclipses whatever, odds are exactly the same. In the case of a lottery quick pick, fate, order, time, place, have nothing to do with odds of winning.
What you guys are trying to sa, is that quick pick numbers are some how stacked or ordered like a raffle ticket. That is not the case. The quick pick numbers are not decided upon and then loaded/stacked into the computer system. If that were the case the 200th customer to buy a ticket would recieve a preordained number and customer #201 would get the next one in the stack. The way the lottery computer works is customer #200 chooses a quick pick, makes his purchase, the computer randomly generates his numbers. Customer #201 makes a quick pick purchase, the computer once again, randomly generates his numbers. Makes no difference if the customer is #200, #201 or #1369 the odds of him recieving any particular set of numbers or not recieving any particular set of numbers is never changing, because they are chosen at RANDOM.
Remember fate, time, order have nothing to do with odds. The first ticket you buy is 2 billion to 1, the second ticket you buy is 2 billion to 1 and on and on and on and on, no matter how many tickets you buy. Think of it as a roullette wheel if a roullette wheel was exactly half black and half red (casinos add a slot to increase there odds of winning) then you would have a strictly 50/50 chance of winning. The first time the wheel was spun and you bet on red your odds of winning are 50/50, but it comes up black, you lose. So you bet on red again, when the wheel is spun, your odds of winning are still 50/50, comes up black again, you lose. And this continues for 10 consecutive spins of the wheel, each time you bet red, each time it comes up black. No matter how many times the wheel is spun, your odds never change, 50/50. Fate has nothing to do with your chance of winning and fate can not change the mathimatical odds for each time the wheel is spun.
In the case of the guys in line, their is no preordained number the guy in front or behind you is going to get, so changing places in line, changing time you purchase the ticket, the state you purchase the ticket in have no bearing on the number you recieve, because---THEY ARE RANDOMLY GENERATED
Quick pick ticket numbers are chosen by a RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR.
Their is absolutely no odds associated to the numbers being generated, no order, no rhyme or reason. In theory I can go in today at 12 noon buy a quick pick ticket and the odds of buying that same series of numbers or not buying that same series of numbers remains absolutely the same thoughout the entire contest. If the odds of winning are 2 billion to 1, those odds remain the same no matter how many tickets are sold, when I buy my ticket, where I buy my ticket from or what position in line I am.
For instance the guy in front buys a quick pick, the computer spits out a series of numbers that were randomly decided, absolutely at random. That ticket has the exact same odds of winning as any other ticket, with any other series of numbers. Then I purchased my ticket, once again the computer spits out a series of numbers that were randomly decided, and that ticket has the exact same odds of winning as any other ticket. Further more the odds of getting any series of numbers (winning or otherwise) remain the same through out the entire game. The odds of recieving that particular set of numbers remain the same, regardless of timming of purchase. Even if you chose your own numbers using birthdays, anniversaries, eclipses whatever, odds are exactly the same. In the case of a lottery quick pick, fate, order, time, place, have nothing to do with odds of winning.
What you guys are trying to sa, is that quick pick numbers are some how stacked or ordered like a raffle ticket. That is not the case. The quick pick numbers are not decided upon and then loaded/stacked into the computer system. If that were the case the 200th customer to buy a ticket would recieve a preordained number and customer #201 would get the next one in the stack. The way the lottery computer works is customer #200 chooses a quick pick, makes his purchase, the computer randomly generates his numbers. Customer #201 makes a quick pick purchase, the computer once again, randomly generates his numbers. Makes no difference if the customer is #200, #201 or #1369 the odds of him recieving any particular set of numbers or not recieving any particular set of numbers is never changing, because they are chosen at RANDOM.
Remember fate, time, order have nothing to do with odds. The first ticket you buy is 2 billion to 1, the second ticket you buy is 2 billion to 1 and on and on and on and on, no matter how many tickets you buy. Think of it as a roullette wheel if a roullette wheel was exactly half black and half red (casinos add a slot to increase there odds of winning) then you would have a strictly 50/50 chance of winning. The first time the wheel was spun and you bet on red your odds of winning are 50/50, but it comes up black, you lose. So you bet on red again, when the wheel is spun, your odds of winning are still 50/50, comes up black again, you lose. And this continues for 10 consecutive spins of the wheel, each time you bet red, each time it comes up black. No matter how many times the wheel is spun, your odds never change, 50/50. Fate has nothing to do with your chance of winning and fate can not change the mathimatical odds for each time the wheel is spun.
In the case of the guys in line, their is no preordained number the guy in front or behind you is going to get, so changing places in line, changing time you purchase the ticket, the state you purchase the ticket in have no bearing on the number you recieve, because---THEY ARE RANDOMLY GENERATED
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You don't understand the concept of RANDOM NUMBER generation.
The computer chose his numbers at random or better yet the computer didn't choose his numbers, it randomly generated them. Normal counting, normal logic, normal order and random number generating can not be compared.
You don't understand the concept of RANDOM NUMBER generation.
The computer chose his numbers at random or better yet the computer didn't choose his numbers, it randomly generated them. Normal counting, normal logic, normal order and random number generating can not be compared.
That rondomly generated number, was going to be generated at that exact moment in time.. Regardless! So yes, it does matter when and where you were in line at that exact moment.
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You don't understand the concept of RANDOM NUMBER generation.
The computer chose his numbers at random or better yet the computer didn't choose his numbers, it randomly generated them. Normal counting, normal logic, normal order and random number generating can not be compared.
Yeah, yeah, I get it: RANDOM, in bold, I get it. I still think he got that RANDOM number because he was RANDOMLY in line at the right time.
You don't understand the concept of RANDOM NUMBER generation.
The computer chose his numbers at random or better yet the computer didn't choose his numbers, it randomly generated them. Normal counting, normal logic, normal order and random number generating can not be compared.
Yeah, yeah, I get it: RANDOM, in bold, I get it. I still think he got that RANDOM number because he was RANDOMLY in line at the right time.
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The both got a random number... They most likely would have had the other ones number if he did not cut in line.
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exactly.
exactly.
Look at it this way. The computer would not change the number because someone reached for a snickers bar. So whatever random number it was about to spit out next would get handed to the next person in line, regardless of who that was. So each guy got a random number, but because one guy changed the timing by a minute, he got the first assigned random number and the next guy got the next random number, which happened to be the winning number.
What makes the argument not work is that we already know that the second ticket was the winning numbers. If we didn't., the random number argument would work.
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