yikes battery cages!!!!

[rodriguezpoultry]

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Exactly. There is simply no need for the birds' feet to be cut off. Reasons:

1. If the person cut the feet off, the legs would simply dangle in the cage. Battery cages have wire for flooring, the legs would fall the the wire, which would not all the bird to move towards the feeder or waterer. The bird would be unable to lay eggs which would not be covered in fecal matter since the bird's legs and body are blocking access to the receptacle for the egg to remain clean.

Have any of you ever actually been in a layer facility? The birds will not fly out of the cages voluntarily. You literally have to push them out of the cage. They feel safe in their cage and do not want to leave their territory.

2. Amputation of the legs would cause the birds not to lay. Lack of being able to feed, trauma and other factors would cease the laying ability of the hens.

3. I am almost certain that they are talking about the removal of the last digit of the bird's feet. That can be done the first day of life and prevents injury to the bird and other birds it may be housed with.

 

[theOEGBman]

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Exactly. There is simply no need for the birds' feet to be cut off. Reasons:

1. If the person cut the feet off, the legs would simply dangle in the cage. Battery cages have wire for flooring, the legs would fall the the wire, which would not all the bird to move towards the feeder or waterer. The bird would be unable to lay eggs which would not be covered in fecal matter since the bird's legs and body are blocking access to the receptacle for the egg to remain clean.

Have any of you ever actually been in a layer facility? The birds will not fly out of the cages voluntarily. You literally have to push them out of the cage. They feel safe in their cage and do not want to leave their territory.

2. Amputation of the legs would cause the birds not to lay. Lack of being able to feed, trauma and other factors would cease the laying ability of the hens.

3. I am almost certain that they are talking about the removal of the last digit of the bird's feet. That can be done the first day of life and prevents injury to the bird and other birds it may be housed with.

Good to see you got here, Roddy.

Like she said, the birds would not lay if the feet were cut off. If they didnt simply die from the trauma. As for the hens flying from the cages, like she stated they literally have to be pushed out. I work in a 2000+ hen layer house and those things definitely will not leave the cages, although they do like to pull your arm hair.

From what I've seen/realized, if someone hears a story about a simply matter such as removing the last digit from the foot, or debeaking, but the time the 4th person learns about it, its climaxed into a huge, horrific thing where the birds are missing feet or their beaks are completely removed so they cant eat or something like that. If someone doesnt understand something, their first response is almost always defensive.

 

[Ema]

well I didn't move into this town until many years later so whether its true or not I don't know. All the town people I spoke with said its true. So could they have taken things out of context...quite possible. I was sharing the story.
I called that lady today and guess what?? she found a buyer for the battery cages as they are. a chicken farmer who lives in a town three hours away.

To be honest with you I don't even know how battery chickens even lay eggs, with such a depressing, poor quality of life you'd think they would stop. Either way I thought I would share.

 

[Ema]

ohh also...why do people debeak their chickens? I think that sort of thing is cruel and must be painful for the chickens at the same time?!!

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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When done correctly, it is no different than clipping your toenails. It prevents the birds from pecking their own bodies as well as the birds around them. It prevents injury, which would soon become infected and put the entire building at risk.

Understanding how battery cages and properly run egg farms will allow you to see that it is a fairly good setup. People want cheap products, therefore, the birds are put into cages to lay eggs. To date, this is the most efficient and cost-effective method of raising layer flocks and keep the prices low for the consumer (who in essence, controls the entire market with the almighty dollar).

It is not fair to label all factory farms with the same bad name as those that are seen on Youtube videos. There are thousands of excellent complexes that ensure their birds are always in good health and shape.

 

[redhen]

I agree de-beaking is a very sick cruel thing to do to a bird. Their beaks are very sensitive... sick sick sick things that people will do to cram birds in small living conditions. Why have an animals if you have to cut half its face off?? Totally sick..
*ETA.. dont confuse de-beaking with beak trimming... they are 2 different things..

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

This is a properly debeaked bird:

It may say "trimmed" on Wiki, but the beak has been clipped by someone who actually knows what they are doing.

ETA: How is this any different than placing a nose ring in a bulls nose?

 

[PineappleMama]

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If you really want to know if it was published just contact the paper. At the very least if they don't have a copy (or microphiche there or at the library) they should have some record of the article. No knowledge of it might mean it's just a load of hooey.

 

[Show Me Chick]

Nothing wrong with debeaking if done right. I have not done it yet but would if needed. Anyone who says its wrong that has had a puppys declaws removed, a infact boy circumcised, etc.... is a hypocrite. All these procedures are for protecting the individual.

 

[arherp]

What state is this in? I am interested in the cages for quail. Email me?