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Opinions, please.

I have had a really awful winter healthwise with my chickens.

In January I received two 8-month old pullets (not Ameraucanas) in the mail from a breeder. They were both in the same cardboard shipping box and there really was not enough ventilation. One coughed. I took it to a farm vet, he gave it one antibiotic shot (Baytril) but the bird got sicker and sicker. I found an avian vet who had wanted to be a poultry pathologist when at university wanted but decided he didn't want to only work with dead chickens so became an avian vet (he is a few hours short of a degree in poultry science). Did I luck out on my avian vet choice!

He said "shipping fever" and put her on Tylan dissolved in massive amounts of sugar to mask the very bitter taste. She recovered with a bit of a gassy crop (probably candida overgrowth from the antibiotics and sugar) which was treated with Nystatin. Both new birds were kept in quarantine.

Two days after seeing the avian vet, we had a wicked cold front swoop down and I battened the coops up too tightly. I knew I had made a mistake when I was greeted by warm moist air when I opened them up the next morning....and a few coughs.

Not sure if the coughs were simply from poor ventilation or a disease brought by the quarantined birds, I put everyone on Tylan for five days.

At the same time, I separated the two Ameraucana pullets from the free ranging flock (and cockerels) as I wanted to show them this month. They went into a bare garden with dried stalks and hay for bedding in the little coop. Unbeknownst to me, they ate a lot of hay and ended up with a severely compacted crops. They were really sick.

Around that time, I also vaccinated for Laryngotracheitis (live virus from tissue culture).

I ended up taking the compacted crop Ameraucanas to the avian vet who had me tube water into their crop with gentle massaging. Feed was changed to spinach and scratch. Both ended up on Nystatin as well.

One has a crop that is still very gassy. We have given her a lot of Nystatin (an antifungal) but that isn't solving the problem, so we are trying to change the PH in the crop to get rid of whatever organism that fermenting food in her crop plus adding an infant colic medicine which will break up the gas bubbles into small bubbles.

The other Ameraucana's crop has resolved but yesterday she had a prolapse--no egg laid but a prolapse. She has been in a show cage in quarantine in the garage (quarantined because she has been exposed to the new birds who have been to shows and are in quarantine) for at least a month. She has not laid any eggs. I suspect I need to cull her today, but when I went in this morning, the prolapse was gone and to be honest, I just don't want to do it. I am sick about it.

I also have just culled a Polish about a week ago for egg binding issues. I don't have many laying-age birds, only 14 before I culled the Polish, so two with egg laying problems is a huge number. The Polish had an extremely narrow pelvis, and last fall before she started laying I thought she was an egg bound chicken waiting for the egg. Sadly, she laid my biggest eggs, so maybe her demise is to be expected. I certainly expected it when I looked her over last fall.

However, I have seen it mentioned in the literature that egg laying problems can be related to respiratory infection and vaccinations.

I will be calling my vet today, but I am not thrilled with the number of times the vet has seen my chickens.

I would appreciate any suggestions or thoughts. Thanks.
 
Opinions, please.

I have had a really awful winter healthwise with my chickens.

In January I received two 8-month old pullets (not Ameraucanas) in the mail from a breeder. They were both in the same cardboard shipping box and there really was not enough ventilation. One coughed. I took it to a farm vet, he gave it one antibiotic shot (Baytril) but the bird got sicker and sicker. I found an avian vet who had wanted to be a poultry pathologist when at university wanted but decided he didn't want to only work with dead chickens so became an avian vet (he is a few hours short of a degree in poultry science). Did I luck out on my avian vet choice!

He said "shipping fever" and put her on Tylan dissolved in massive amounts of sugar to mask the very bitter taste. She recovered with a bit of a gassy crop (probably candida overgrowth from the antibiotics and sugar) which was treated with Nystatin. Both new birds were kept in quarantine.

Two days after seeing the avian vet, we had a wicked cold front swoop down and I battened the coops up too tightly. I knew I had made a mistake when I was greeted by warm moist air when I opened them up the next morning....and a few coughs.

Not sure if the coughs were simply from poor ventilation or a disease brought by the quarantined birds, I put everyone on Tylan for five days.

At the same time, I separated the two Ameraucana pullets from the free ranging flock (and cockerels) as I wanted to show them this month. They went into a bare garden with dried stalks and hay for bedding in the little coop. Unbeknownst to me, they ate a lot of hay and ended up with a severely compacted crops. They were really sick.

Around that time, I also vaccinated for Laryngotracheitis (live virus from tissue culture).

I ended up taking the compacted crop Ameraucanas to the avian vet who had me tube water into their crop with gentle massaging. Feed was changed to spinach and scratch. Both ended up on Nystatin as well.

One has a crop that is still very gassy. We have given her a lot of Nystatin (an antifungal) but that isn't solving the problem, so we are trying to change the PH in the crop to get rid of whatever organism that fermenting food in her crop plus adding an infant colic medicine which will break up the gas bubbles into small bubbles.

The other Ameraucana's crop has resolved but yesterday she had a prolapse--no egg laid but a prolapse. She has been in a show cage in quarantine in the garage (quarantined because she has been exposed to the new birds who have been to shows and are in quarantine) for at least a month. She has not laid any eggs. I suspect I need to cull her today, but when I went in this morning, the prolapse was gone and to be honest, I just don't want to do it. I am sick about it.

I also have just culled a Polish about a week ago for egg binding issues. I don't have many laying-age birds, only 14 before I culled the Polish, so two with egg laying problems is a huge number. The Polish had an extremely narrow pelvis, and last fall before she started laying I thought she was an egg bound chicken waiting for the egg. Sadly, she laid my biggest eggs, so maybe her demise is to be expected. I certainly expected it when I looked her over last fall.

However, I have seen it mentioned in the literature that egg laying problems can be related to respiratory infection and vaccinations.

I will be calling my vet today, but I am not thrilled with the number of times the vet has seen my chickens.

I would appreciate any suggestions or thoughts. Thanks.

Chickens don't get "shipping fever". You are probably dealing with MG.

Do NOT give the live ILT vaccine. Your birds are now carriers of the ILT vaccine virus and can make other birds sick. Do not show them.
 
Chickens don't get "shipping fever". You are probably dealing with MG.

Do NOT give the live ILT vaccine. Your birds are now carriers of the ILT vaccine virus and can make other birds sick. Do not show them.

There is no other vaccine for LT but the live vaccine. There are two types of LT live vaccine, chick embryo and tissue culture embryo. You are talking about the chick embryo vaccine ("hot" vaccine), not the tissue culture vaccine. I spoke to the manufacturer's vet at great length about the risk of transmission of the disease to other birds via the tissue culture vaccine that I used and he said there was none.

"Shipping fever" is a catch-all all phrase for respiratory infections caused by the stress of shipping and poor ventilation. It is a known risk when shipping horses, and also chickens I learn. I would think that if I had MG, it would have shown up with the other five birds quarantined with this same bird. The avian vet who saw her did not think it was MG. There are a multitude of respiratory infections of the upper respiratory system, both bacterial, fungal and viral. At this point, it is unidentified, and when I broached the subject of testing for it, the avian vet felt it not necessary.
 
The only safe ILT vaccine is the Schering Plough LT-IVAX and it is a modified live vaccine.

Shipping fever is not a real diagnosis. You will not know what is causing upper respiratory issues until you test some throat swabs or send blood to a lab.
 
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do male and female wheatens all start out with wing feathers like this . Its been so long since i had wheaten chicks i cant remember
 
The only safe ILT vaccine is the Schering Plough LT-IVAX and it is a modified live vaccine.

Shipping fever is not a real diagnosis. You will not know what is causing upper respiratory issues until you test some throat swabs or send blood to a lab.

I am quite aware "shipping fever" is not a diagnosis any more accurate than respiratory infection is.

Schering Plough no longer exists--it merged with Merck in 2009. I used Merck's LT-IVAX, which is the same vaccine you recommend.
 
Just get some. To create is a long project 5-10 years. Lots of time,feed and culls. Why bother when they already exist. If you were asking how they were created then check out the history on the Ameraucana Breeders Club website.
oh i was not speaking of creating them myself but rather asking if blue wheatens were indeed "Blues crossed with Wheaten" (as related to the previous message) ... i know it involved more line breeding & etc but the blood was no doubt "Blue & Wheaton" ) Thanks
 
oh i was not speaking of creating them myself but rather asking if blue wheatens were indeed "Blues crossed with Wheaten" (as related to the previous message) ... i know it involved more line breeding & etc but the blood was no doubt "Blue & Wheaton" ) Thanks

No not crossed. Just blue wheaten. Which when bred together produce wheaten blue wheaten and splash wheaten . The blue gene was added about 35+ years ago.
 

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