Attaching hardware cloth to run. Inside or outside?

Inside? Outside?

  • Inside

    Votes: 8 12.9%
  • Outside

    Votes: 50 80.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 4 6.5%

  • Total voters
    62
Really nice coop! I see your in NY. What do you do to prepare for winter? 🐓❤️

It's been a learning curve for winterizing. This is our third winter . . .

The first winter we used 6 mil clear plastic attached with furring strips. It looked great, but by the end of the second winter, the plastic had mostly given out - I patched several cracks with clear packing tape and the plastic didn't really clean well after the first winter, so wasn't so clear anymore.

I really wanted to do Marine Vinyl, but whew! It was pricey and then I'd have to either install grommets or do furring strips again, which I really didn't want to do. I hated drilling holes into the structure those first two winters! Also, I wanted something that I could do myself (I'm short and not so young anymore, lol), would be durable/reusable for several years, and was adjustable for those transitions from Fall to Winter and Winter to Spring. I looked at doing shower curtains, but we have quite a bit of square footage to cover, and they only have grommets on one side (back to furring strips or grommet installs) and durability for multiple years . . . and I just wanted something more stout.

This past summer I found 30 mil Marine Vinyl clear tarps =). In sizes I could use =). I posted about them HERE.

I love them! They're super thick, clear, and I can install and remove them by myself as needed. I can also lower them by one or two grommets for extra ventilation when the weather is warm/cold/warm/cold. I posted about that HERE.

This shows the general idea. I still need to cover the under-the-coop portion - need to get last winter's furring strips off and put new plastic up (I did order some 30 mil rolled Marine Vinyl for that little bit and for the door area). Also, there are some gaps between grommets on these tarps which I will be tacking down this year, and adding grommets next year to keep those winter winds out. I used cable staples and reusable zip ties to attach the tarps to the structure (detailed and links provided HERE).

It never ceases to amaze me how much more comfortable it is in the run once the wind breaks are up! It can be stupid cold outside in the wind, but once inside, I can work comfortably for a good stretch of time, and the chickens seem content. I've not felt a need to put any supplemental heat in the coop/run, and we do get occasional sub-zero temps.

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The only other thing we do for winter is put bird bath deicers in the water buckets. I got two translucent 3.5 gallon buckets and poultry nipples, and have a deicer in each one. They're only 60 watts, so don't draw a lot of power, and they work to sub-zero temps. There have been a few times on VERY cold days where I've had to knock ice off the nipples, but the water itself was fine, just the drips on the outside had frozen. I actually unplug the heaters if it's over 35F because the water gets warm, which leads to slimy buckets (yuk). I take them inside and give them a good soap and hot water wash about once a month in the winter. I just take gallon jugs of water out to the run to refill as needed the rest of the time. I do use 1 TBS of Apple Cider Vinegar and one drop of Oregano Essential Oil per gallon of water as an additive. I also put a cotton round with a slit cut in it around the cord and over the hole in the bucket lid where the cord goes through to keep dirt out of the water.

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We are just starting our run build. The question came up of attaching the hardware cloth to the lumber on the inside or the outside of the run. What did you do on your run if you built with lumber framing and stapled hardware cloth on?

And why did you pick one over the other?
I say and it is proven that if a predator pushes on hardware cloth and it is on the inside the cloth is easier to pull away from the wood. On the other hand it is a lot harder for the cloth to tear off two sides when those two sides are supporting it.

However the absolute best way is to not only put it from the outside butt to sandwich it between two boards. SO, Other


Not only that butt it give you way more freedom to mount and place other things inside the coop.
 
It's been a learning curve for winterizing. This is our third winter . . .

The first winter we used 6 mil clear plastic attached with furring strips. It looked great, but by the end of the second winter, the plastic had mostly given out - I patched several cracks with clear packing tape and the plastic didn't really clean well after the first winter, so wasn't so clear anymore.

I really wanted to do Marine Vinyl, but whew! It was pricey and then I'd have to either install grommets or do furring strips again, which I really didn't want to do. I hated drilling holes into the structure those first two winters! Also, I wanted something that I could do myself (I'm short and not so young anymore, lol), would be durable/reusable for several years, and was adjustable for those transitions from Fall to Winter and Winter to Spring. I looked at doing shower curtains, but we have quite a bit of square footage to cover, and they only have grommets on one side (back to furring strips or grommet installs) and durability for multiple years . . . and I just wanted something more stout.

This past summer I found 30 mil Marine Vinyl clear tarps =). In sizes I could use =). I posted about them HERE.

I love them! They're super thick, clear, and I can install and remove them by myself as needed. I can also lower them by one or two grommets for extra ventilation when the weather is warm/cold/warm/cold. I posted about that HERE.

This shows the general idea. I still need to cover the under-the-coop portion - need to get last winter's furring strips off and put new plastic up (I did order some 30 mil rolled Marine Vinyl for that little bit and for the door area). Also, there are some gaps between grommets on these tarps which I will be tacking down this year, and adding grommets next year to keep those winter winds out. I used cable staples and reusable zip ties to attach the tarps to the structure (detailed and links provided HERE).

It never ceases to amaze me how much more comfortable it is in the run once the wind breaks are up! It can be stupid cold outside in the wind, but once inside, I can work comfortably for a good stretch of time, and the chickens seem content. I've not felt a need to put any supplemental heat in the coop/run, and we do get occasional sub-zero temps.

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The only other thing we do for winter is put bird bath deicers in the water buckets. I got two translucent 3.5 gallon buckets and poultry nipples, and have a deicer in each one. They're only 60 watts, so don't draw a lot of power, and they work to sub-zero temps. There have been a few times on VERY cold days where I've had to knock ice off the nipples, but the water itself was fine, just the drips on the outside had frozen. I actually unplug the heaters if it's over 35F because the water gets warm, which leads to slimy buckets (yuk). I take them inside and give them a good soap and hot water wash about once a month in the winter. I just take gallon jugs of water out to the run to refill as needed the rest of the time. I do use 1 TBS of Apple Cider Vinegar and one drop of Oregano Essential Oil per gallon of water as an additive. I also put a cotton round with a slit cut in it around the cord and over the hole in the bucket lid where the cord goes through to keep dirt out of the water.

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Ahhh winter ready! Its my third winter as well and It's fairly easy finally. Just wrap the coop. I have precut greenhouse tarps and i use staples. I only tarp half way up as it seems to be enough to block wind and keep chooks content all winter. Today is in the low 40's, dreary and misty but it feels wonderful compared to low 20's the last couple of days. Molting chickens is the reason I wrapped the coop yesterday. Otherwise I would have held off a few more days. I hate seeing a cold chicken standing super still freezing 😳. Good luck this 3rd winter of chicken keeping! May all your fluffy friends keep their feathers unruffled!! 🐓❤️
 
Ahhh winter ready! Its my third winter as well and It's fairly easy finally. Just wrap the coop. I have precut greenhouse tarps and i use staples. I only tarp half way up as it seems to be enough to block wind and keep chooks content all winter. Today is in the low 40's, dreary and misty but it feels wonderful compared to low 20's the last couple of days. Molting chickens is the reason I wrapped the coop yesterday. Otherwise I would have held off a few more days. I hate seeing a cold chicken standing super still freezing 😳. Good luck this 3rd winter of chicken keeping! May all your fluffy friends keep their feathers unruffled!! 🐓❤️
As the season progresses, I'll add tarp to the upper portions if needed. (Super winter storms or heavy cold winds). Got the tarps and staples ready), lol.
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