100 Broilers and Fermented Feed Project

[foreverlearning]

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Exactly...it's a variation of what I tell people when they ask about how much fermented feed to feed their chickens, as most are used to filling up a big, continuous feeder and not really knowing what their birds will consume per meal. They always ask how I know if they are getting enough and I always tell them the same way you know if your kids are getting enough...if they clean their plates in short order, give more. If they leave too much, cut back. If they eat it all but maybe leave some residue , it's just right. Then watch the body.

I think even with a big dry feeder everyone should know how much their flock eats. I have a 10# feeder that gets filled once a month in the summer and once-twice (depending on snacks) a week in the winter. I check it everyday and if the levels are not on par with my normal flock I start checking beak to toe to see what is wrong and where. The first sign is in the feed, when you start noticing problems in the behavior of the chicken itself then it has gone on too long.

 

[Arielle]

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Love it!! WHen I went to ag school some years ago, this kind of treatment was not taught. I don't know if it is or isn't anymore-- and the one prof I could ask has retired-- I dinot know about such possiblities until I started living on BYC and reading what people were sharing of alternative methods.

Quote: Bee I've delt a bit with the state ag dept-- they are intimidating and . . .it is their way or the highway.SO much for being a democratic state-- it is a dictatorship of rules and regs here.

 

[Beekissed]

Love it!! WHen I went to ag school some years ago, this kind of treatment was not taught. I don't know if it is or isn't anymore-- and the one prof I could ask has retired-- I dinot know about such possiblities until I started living on BYC and reading what people were sharing of alternative methods.

Bee I've delt a bit with the state ag dept-- they are intimidating and . . .it is their way or the highway.SO much for being a democratic state-- it is a dictatorship of rules and regs here.

I guess a person would have to fight for what they want, like Salatin and the group of farmers he pals with...they fought to get to process in an open air setting and sell the meat and now I've heard they bought their own abattoir.

I know I've had to fight and struggle with people on these forums whenever natural livestock management comes up and culling for hardiness and health and it's a complete mystery to me why that is...no one is asking them to drink any grape Koolaid, just to let us discuss these methods and how well they work or do not work so that others can learn.

 

[kuntrygirl]

 
Oh Bee, dont get me started!!!!!!!!!

Years ago, I met for 2 hours with the food manager of our schools--  she listened politely and yet said the gov rules prevented the changes I had suggested. THe reimbursement system is very rigid. PRomotes junk food eating--- in that catagory I include prepackaged "pancakes"  or muffins which are white flour and white sugar. OMG!!! With 30% on free or assist school lunches, that's big money to be had. 

When I sent in a note that my first grader was NOT to get chocolate milk or strqwberry  milk, I thought my wishes were being followed. TUrned out that no one was informed of my request and my kid was sucking down sugar water aka chocolate milk.  I put a stop to it fast!!

My kids don't get school lunches. ANd don't get the milk either. All with the blessings of my new pediatrition!! I push salads  and vegies at breakfast, and sliced turkey; steel cut oats usually wins out on school days,  though I still cringe at the amt of brown sugar they put in. I let the brown sugar run out once in a while . . . . . lol "Sorry honey, how about a couple eggs? "

I tell my oldest taking " HEalth" to memorize the info and give back the answers the teacher wants. That will get him the good grades. He has stopped presenting our ways of eating as it just gets him into " wrong answer" responses. WE don't follow the teachings of the gov crap. Most people don't want to hear that the government is wrong, wrong wrong  on this.


PS FOod pyramid is gone. A rainbow was in place for while, now a plate is used. 


 I could write pages-- but I've said enough already.

My daughter is in public school here. The school lunch plan they send home is upsetting. This week is ham and cheese hot pockets, burgers with fries, and the not so bad red beans with ham. I pack her lunches every day, but we had a huge problem with "snack days". Each child gets a snack day where they have to bring in snacks for the whole class. Most times this is chips, cookies, cupcakes, cheap snack cakes with koolaid barrels. I send her in with snacks, ask the teacher to not give her those snacks. Doesn't help. My daughter is only 5, I'm working hard with her on healthy choices. I lived in the UK until I was 19, and it is SO difficult for me to see so many foods, with ingredients in them that were banned in the UK. I want to know why American children don't matter? Identical foods from the same companies, in the UK and USA, with different ingredients. I could rant for days on this subject, lol. I'll try to be good.

Are you serious??????? They would NOT want me to be a parent at that school. On snack days, I would send baby carrots, celery, cucumber and tomato slices. That's what I eat for a snack, so they would have to. The teacher would probably call me or send a note and tell me that I was exempt from buying and sending snacks.

 

[LindaB220]

Interesting that you mention use of ACV in dairy farms. I grew up on a dairy farm (in New Zealand) and over the years we moved away from "conventional" herd management techniques (i.e. use of pencillin and other drugs) for herd health to ACV and aloe vera gel. The ACV was given quarterly (I can't remember the dose) and the aloe vera was given twice daily at milking - about 5 ml per cow per milking. Through selective culling and the use of ACV and aloe vera we were able to decrease the incidence of mastitis to zero cases per year, decrease the number of barren cows from about 8% of the herd to zero and eliminated all vet visits. When my parents sold the farm we had the whole herd pregnancy tested at the request of the buyer and stunned the vet for two reasons - firstly he thought we were no longer dairying as we hadn't called him out in so long and secondly because ours was the first herd he had ever encountered with 100% pregnancy. Good animal husbandry is a skill that is worth developing as it will pay big dividends.

Wowza, good going.!!!

 

[Coralietg]

Are you serious??????? They would NOT want me to be a parent at that school. On snack days, I would send baby carrots, celery, cucumber and tomato slices. That's what I eat for a snack, so they would have to. The teacher would probably call me or send a note and tell me that I was exempt from buying and sending snacks.

Everything has to be room stable, nothing that needs refrigerating. I have sent cuties, bananas, even homemade banana nut muffins. I hate that I make my child the odd one out, but I have spent the past 5 years raising her in a healthy way. She gets a treat a couple of times a week, she shouldn't be getting this day in day out at school. I did relax a little today as she had a field trip, and they took them to lunch at Chik Fil A (whatever it is called). Could be worse.

 

[LindaB220]

Another thing, on a small FF thread I made a remark about FF increasing females and this guy LMAO at me stating the FF had nothing to do with fertility. So I googled ACV and fertility. AND there it was. So I told him. And I think I killed the thread dead. Nothing ever again. Hum... I hate being right ALL the time.

Especially with a male.

 

[kuntrygirl]

Are you serious??????? They would NOT want me to be a parent at that school. On snack days, I would send baby carrots, celery, cucumber and tomato slices. That's what I eat for a snack, so they would have to. The teacher would probably call me or send a note and tell me that I was exempt from buying and sending snacks.

Everything has to be room stable, nothing that needs refrigerating. I have sent cuties, bananas, even homemade banana nut muffins. I hate that I make my child the odd one out, but I have spent the past 5 years raising her in a healthy way. She gets a treat a couple of times a week, she shouldn't be getting this day in day out at school. I did relax a little today as she had a field trip, and they took them to lunch at Chik Fil A (whatever it is called). Could be worse.

Have you tried attending the weekly or monthly School Board meeting about your concerns? I would be sitting in there every meeting until they were tired of me.

 

[kuntrygirl]

Another thing, on a small FF thread I made a remark about FF increasing females and this guy LMAO at me stating the FF had nothing to do with fertility.  So I googled ACV and fertility.  AND there it was.  So I told him.  And I think I killed the thread dead.  Nothing ever again.  Hum... I hate being right ALL the time.    Especially with a male. 

 

[Beekissed]

Another thing, on a small FF thread I made a remark about FF increasing females and this guy LMAO at me stating the FF had nothing to do with fertility. So I googled ACV and fertility. AND there it was. So I told him. And I think I killed the thread dead. Nothing ever again. Hum... I hate being right ALL the time.

Especially with a male.

Me too...it's a lonely road. Keep it up! It always seems to be a male that does that when I speak of ACV or FF or natural management methods also...for some reason they can't seem to wrap their minds around a new(old)concept like a woman can. For some reason it seems to make them feel insecure or threatened in some way and it's all a mystery to me.