16-mo old BO hen internal layer? update: Paris necropsy pics (graphic)

Well, we are back from the vet, $153.40 poorer.

The vet drew off a full quart of fluid from Paris' abdomen, so after going in a 5lb bird, she came home a 3 lb bird. Yikes!!! The vet says it is likely what we already thought, egg yolk peritonitis and internal laying. However, some of the fluid looked to be bile-tinged, so there may also be some liver disease (possibly from the Pen G, but not necessarily). She tested the specific gravity of the fluid, and it showed very low protein, which means Paris is starving. Yup, already suspected that.

The plan: Baytril (oral) once a day, continue Layena crumbles and free choice oyster shell. For the next couple days, I can also give the baby parrot mash via syringe, now that I have one small enough to fit past her tongue. We expect to leave her on Baytril for 30 days, but even with the antibiotic, she only gives her a 25% chance of survival. She didn't recommend surgery because (1) it is expensive (2) it isn't always successful because of adhesions, and (3) she is so sick it is unlikely she would survive the surgery.

I would say that if you find yourself in this situation,and are trying to figure out what to do, the Pen G was a great plan (confirmed by the vet), and the Baytril is great if you can find it without going to the vet. However, since the bird is likely to die anyway, you might just cull, if you're willing, or give comfort care until the bird dies. If money is no object, you could easily spend $500-$700 to give your bird surgery and all the bells and whistles. It's totally up to you, but more money doesn't equal a healthy bird. Do the best you can, but don't beat yourself up about it.

Now, Paris is waiting for her blueberries....
 
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I don't even know what to say. I'm so sorry. I guess the EYP is caused by internal laying- which is basically a defect, right? ( Not saying beautiful Paris is defective...)
I'm guessing she will now be a house chicken, getting extra loving and blueberries. Hee hee- Paris is proving herself to be a high mantenance chick- just like another Paris we know of.

But on a serious side, I am saddened by the news. I sorta know how you feel. The one chicken I had who was eggbound- It's not good to know you are doing everything you can and it might not be enough.
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Hi Bizzy! Paris is snoozing after her ordeal. She ate a few blueberries, and I tried drying her abdomen with a blow dryer, which she seemed to really like. However, the holes where the vet drained the fluid are still dripping like mad. I will be changing out the towel really soon. It's drenched. She looks worse than when I took her in. Her comb has gotten very dark.

She can be an indoor chicken for the next few days, then only at night. It really becomes a quality of life issue. How boring for her to just sit in a little rabbit cage with no companions. I will start letting her out with the others as soon as she is eating on her own. Then, I will only bring her inside at night, because she gets better rest inside, and it's warmer. Cold is stressful.

One thing the vet did say, was that the change from crumbles to pellets back in the spring was not a good one. Birds are visual, and learn what they should eat by sight. If I had switched to pellets when they started laying, they were still young enough to learn about a new food. But, by waiting until they were older, my birds did not see pellets as food. They starved themselves, messing up their protein and calcium levels, with the resulting shell-less eggs starting this peritonitis. Paris might have been more prone, but starvation was like the nail in the coffin.
 
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As one who has dealt with this same thing, you went above and beyond to save Paris. Would anyone fault you for spending that much on a dog? No way. And many of my girls are just as friendly and personable as any dog would be. I just would have to cull if the Pen-G didn't work, as it did with Ivy and Ginger. It's so sad to watch them fade away and feel helpless. Ginger's comb was very dark when her abdomen was full of fluid, but now her pink color is back and she seems to have gained weight, though still not laying again. Hope Paris pulls through this one.
 
Wow, we learn something new every day. And you said that you realized they were not eating the pellets, which is why you switched back. Who would have thought a chicken would starve rather than eat ? That is why I like this forum- we learn so much. I just wish we didn't have to learn through others miseries.
I do hope Paris is able to fight it. Even if she never lays an egg again.. You and she have fought so hard.
 
Cyn, I guess that is why I posted the message to anyone else who might be trying to decide what to do. Just do what you can. Some birds will live even if you give little intervention. Others will die, no matter how hard you try. I also wanted to relay the confirmation that we were on the right track. When we put our minds together here on BYC, we do a good job of coming up with the correct answer. We had diagnosed her correctly, and given her the correct antibiotics. The vet didn't oppose anything we had done. It was all good.
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Bizzy, I had always assumed that birds choose what to eat like we do, based on the smell and taste. But birds are completely visual, and develop their paradigm of *what is food* when they are young. I might as well have been asking them to eat marbles. The others recovered from the experience, and now produce good strong eggshells. Paris probably will not recover. I certainly learned a lot today.
 
Hi Ann! Yes, it was quite a day for Paris and my pocketbook. This really is the last step in trying to save her. The vet said long term antibiotics are fine, as long as she is responding. It will be a couple of days before we know that. Paris just isn't meant to be an old bird. But, I am determined to do what I can to keep her comfortable and learn as much as I can from her until she is gone.

Steff
 

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