2018 Newbie Chat!

[Anna Ranieri]

First I'm sorry to hear this. Second, let's get ready to win a case.

How long did they give you? Is there a court hearing? Did they give you the laws in writing?

There are different angles here. The definition of livestock is farm animals regarded as an asset. Do your male ducks lay eggs? Are you using them for meat? Are you using them to make babies? I believe the answer to all would be no. Then you got the chickens who do lay eggs but they are for your own consumption--no profit. As we all know they will eventually stop laying and at that point, are you using them for meat? Guessing not. Noise? Male ducks are no where near as noisy as females. You need to start taking pictures of how they live. Is the area clean? Is there a smell? Take video of them doing what they do out there. Have someone take a video while standing near the nearest house--title if video? How loud are they? Someone would need to be near the ducks to get them excited, so they make noise.can they be heard on video by the neighbors house? Of course you will use video and pictures that prove your case. Pictures of where the coop is,compared to your house, neighbors house and remember this...

The term “livestock” includes cattle, sheep, horses, goats, and other domestic animals ordinarily raised or used on the farm. ... Turkeys or domesticated fowl are considered poultry and not livestock within the meaning of this exemption.

Now if I remember you are not in the Us, right? Not sure if this will help because im not sure where you are.

http://www.hsi.org/assets/pdfs/ttip_briefing_eu_vs_us.pdf

I would try to find info out online in regards to the local council.

Hope this all helps.

Thank you so very very much. I haven't looked at the link yet as I wanted to reply first.
So far we haven't been given a date just been told to get them gone quick. I realise it is the female ducks making the loudest noise but when the girls quack and the boys rasp at the same time they are at their loudest - the chickens occasionally cluck but most are silent but do trill a lot but that isn't very loud. Unfortunately the neighbours can hear them I know for sure, I walked to my mums today and could hear one of our female Khaki Campbells quacking as I was walking down a lane near mine. Here are some print screens taken from google map to show how close the neighbours are :-
This is our bungalow from the front, the white house on the right of the picture is the neighbour I suspect has complained.

This is the side view of our home, where the car is our garage and the gate into our back garden where the birds are, if you look between our garage and bungalow you can just see a little into our back garden,

This is the view taken from the other side, where the white cursor is, is the bungalow then the white house which is the neighbour I suspect complained then two more houses then is the lane - this is the lane I was walking through today when I heard one of my female ducks quack so I know they are being heard by the neighbours. We have been told there is only one person who has complained and that it is someone who can see into our garden, of these houses the only one who can is the white house if upstairs looking out of the window.

I am waiting on finding out what it states in the deeds because it can make a difference but my dad is very sick in hospital so I'm having to wait on that for a bit (my parents own this bungalow and I rent it from them). This estate was built by a company whom made certain rules and regulations and people buying these properties could only do so if they signed the covenant, and apparently I have broken the covenant by having the birds and by building the coup/run - Here is part of the the covenant (rule 5 is about the coup, rule 11 about the birds) [quoted]
5. Not to use any part of the property not built upon for any purpose other than a private ornamental or kitchen garden
11. Not to keep any animals or live-stock on the property or in any building thereon except the usual domestic pets which expression shall include cats dogs and caged birds.
So far I have decided not to do anything and am waiting for the council to contact me again at which if my dad is still in hospital I will tell them they will have to wait until he is out because he is the one who will be dealing with this, I also am going to wait for them to take me to court rather than me take them to court, so as with most things in life the only I can do is wait.

 

[BBZZZZTT]

Thank god

I found this picture of an olive ever--pretty close minus those yellow eggs
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This looks like it's mixed with a barnevelder, another dark brown egg layer.

 

[Anna Ranieri]

I got her from this local place. She was in the bin with the brahmas and the faverolle(that I thought was a brahma)and I didn't want to leave her by herself. This place gets so many of certain breeds in each hatch date. Golden laces were part of that group. They don't get mixes in or so they say. First I buy 4 girls, two turn out to be boys, then the brahma turns out to be a faverolle and now I have a mystery chicken. Never thought there would be this many surprises

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She is very beautiful

 

[CannedMonster]

This looks like it's mixed with a barnevelder, another dark brown egg layer.

From what I’ve come to understand a true olive Egger is always a cross between a Ameracauna and a dark brown egg laying breed such as Marans or Welsummer.
Although EE can and do lay green eggs they’re not usually the olive color.
So really the only difference between EE and OE is what breeds are used in the cross.

 

[llombardo]

From what I’ve come to understand a true olive Egger is always a cross between a Ameracauna and a dark brown egg laying breed such as Marans or Welsummer.
Although EE can and do lay green eggs they’re not usually the olive color.
So really the only difference between EE and OE is what breeds are used in the cross.

So if I get an olive color egg it's an olive egger and any other pretty color is Easter egger? Watch her lay a white egg...lol

 

[CannedMonster]

So if I get an olive color egg it's an olive egger and any other pretty color is Easter egger? Watch her lay a white egg...lol

Actually birds that lay white eggs generally have white earlobes.
I think whether or not a green egg is “olive green” or not might be subjective.
People often see colors differently.
The reason it’s a deeper olive green instead of a minty, sea, or sage type of green is because Marans and Welsummers lay those really dark brown eggs.
I mean dark!
So when the OE hen lays her egg it’s really blue with the dark brown pigment on top which looks olive.
I don’t know how many on this thread know this fact but all domestic chickens eggs are either white or blue.
The eggs that are brown are actually white with a brown pigment added before they’re laid.
If you crack one open and look at the inside of the shell, it’s white.
Blue and white eggs are the same color on the outside and inside.
So if you have an EE that lays green (but not the dark olive green) she probably has a breed in her background that lays a lighter brown egg like Speckled Sussex or Wyandotte or Brahma.
If the EE lays blue she probably has a white egg layer in her background.

 

[Geranium]

Actually birds that lay white eggs generally have white earlobes.
I think whether or not a green egg is “olive green” or not might be subjective.
People often see colors differently.
The reason it’s a deeper olive green instead of a minty, sea, or sage type of green is because Marans and Welsummers lay those really dark brown eggs.
I mean dark!
So when the OE hen lays her egg it’s really blue with the dark brown pigment on top which looks olive.
I don’t know how many on this thread know this fact but all domestic chickens eggs are either white or blue.
The eggs that are brown are actually white with a brown pigment added before they’re laid.
If you crack one open and look at the inside of the shell, it’s white.
Blue and white eggs are the same color on the outside and inside.
So if you have an EE that lays green (but not the dark olive green) she probably has a breed in her background that lays a lighter brown egg like Speckled Sussex or Wyandotte or Brahma.
If the EE lays blue she probably has a white egg layer in her background.

This is fascinating

 

[CannedMonster]

This is fascinating

I think so too lol.
I learned it here on BYC.
There are members here that are well versed in genetics and I try to absorb as much as I can.
It’s a fascinating subject to me.
I’m especially interested in color genetics.
I would really like to create sex-linked EEs and OEs.
I believe I know exactly how to do it.
I also want to create sex-linked Naked Necks which will probably be a more difficult project but not impossible.

 

[BBZZZZTT]

I learned about that on the EE thread

 

[Chickassan]

Hi newbies!

Here are pictures I just took. She is a she, right? What do you guys think? They might have had EE's in this hatch too. It was only these guys and buff orphingtons left when I got there.

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Hey, everytime I come in here I tell you something weird. Last time I told you that you have a faverolle. Well this time i'm telling you that you have an EE or OE and i'm sooo sorry but I got to tell you....he's a boy.