4th Annual BYC NYD Hatch-a-long

[Sally Sunshine]

Here's a cute baby picture! We just got these 4, and it cracked me up that one went under the warmer and the others were looking like "Where are you going??"

awww cute!

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Beth - this picture is for you:



Meet Inky (a.k.a Inkspot)..he came from the first set of duck eggs I got from you. Remember I told you I kept one of the ducklings? Well this is Inky all growed up. He is the sweetest lil 'ole thing! He'll come running up to me when I call his name, and loves to eat out of my hand.

~ Enjoy

~:~ Aspen ~:~

awwwwww Aspen so cute!

 

[CelticOaksFarm]

Evening all................ busy day here prepping butchered birds for pick up tomorrow. Also have ducklings and new baby rabbits being picked up over the next two days. All in the name of making others Christmas' complete. Fingers are sore from plucking, but very worth it.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

2 more dozen into the incubator today!

Lost one last night, thermometer fell off side, tape stuck to an egg (unbeknownst to me), so when I picked up the thermometer, slow mo saw the egg pop up and drop. "Nooooooooo...." So, I'm down a little blue egg, but ah well. Them's the breaks.

Darn storm ripped my door off the coop, so it's propped in place right now, but tomorrow will be a Home Depot day, to build a new door in the garage to place. The old one is falling apart, so better just to build a new one with a better design.

Think I'll put a barn door design on this time, always loved those X doors. *big grin*

WOW!!

what breed did you add?

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: WHOOT WHOOT!!! YAYAYYAY pippers peepers fluffy

 

[Sally Sunshine]

I mentioned we have a sebastopol with two colored eyes last week.............well here is a good picture of her up close.








she has two toned eyes and three colors of feathers. A very unique girl who my hubby reminded me is not on my project list of breeding plans.

this means she will likely be for sale

 

[Sally Sunshine]

oh and here are some chickie dees who are growing out

swedish flower chicks and 4 EE made from lavender AM roo over white leghorn hens (made splash chicks)

awww

 

[debs_flock]

My grandparents used to buy eggs from a woman who had quite a lot of chickens an free ranges them. I guess they would lay their eggs outside any where they please and she would go pick them up (wonder if she had nesting boxes for them?!). Anyway, one day my grandpa was making omelettes and cracked up an egg to dump a fairly well developed embryo into the skillet. They don't buy eggs from her anymore !

 

[Sally Sunshine]

**Mrs Fluffy Puffy! The little peepers I have now are EO Basque and the Trader Joe white leghorns.**

I am not sure if the TJ eggs are all white leghorns or if they use a cross. Either way, they came out will little yellow combs folded over and squished down on their heads. Below of a pic of the ones who have fluffed up and there are two more in the incubator that hatched this afternoon.

I had to help one because she appeared to be stuck and was growing weaker. But I am glad I made the decision to take her out and help because I don't think she would have continued to try much longer. Now she has finally gotten out of the egg and is resting. I still have two eggs that have not pipped. One is a TJ egg that doesn't seem to have anything wrong with it and the other is a Basque egg that had a bad saddle shaped air cell. I traced the air cell on the Basque egg but I don't hold out much hope for that one as I think it may have either died a late death or perhaps pipped in a very bad spot.

How long should I leave these unhatched guys in there? Day 21 ended yesterday at 5PM. Thoughts? Do they start to smell bad if they did die? THANKS ALL!

I would candle and look for that internal pip, also tap tap and see if you hear a chirp! if no internal pip and its moving put her back in the bator and wait!



IF NONE of the above... float test for viability..


IF internal pip or you HEAR it chirping..... I would assist the hatch.... https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101

here is a paste from that article of my notes all thrown in there....

INTERNAL PIP ON CANDLE


After 21 days of incubation, the chick finally begins its escape from the shell. The chick begins by pushing its beak through the air cell. The allantois, which has served as its lungs, begins to dry up as the chick uses its own lungs. The chick continues to push its head outward. The sharp horny structure on the upper beak (egg tooth) and the muscle on the back of the neck help cut the shell. The chick rests, changes position, and keeps cutting until its head falls free of the opened shell. It then kicks free of the bottom portion of the shell. The chick is exhausted and rests while the navel openings heal and its down dries. Gradually, it regains strength and walks. The incubation and hatching is complete. The horny cap will fall off the beak within days after the chick hatches.http://msucares.com/poultry/reproductions/poultry_chicks_embryo.html

Delayed Incubation? http://newenglandbantamclub.homestead.com/delayedincubation.html
If you hatch eggs in an incubator, particularly one without a fan, you may find the eggs don't all hatch at the same time. Normally chicken eggs take 21 days to hatch and duck eggs 28. However, you may set a batch of eggs and find some chicks seem to hatch a couple days early and other may be 2 or 3 days late. The same thing can even happen under a hen. What's happening?
Poultry are really pretty primitive. While birds are warm blooded, they are just barely warm blooded as embryos. If heat is removed, development stops. Then, when the heat returns, development starts back up. Development begins almost immediately. Within 16 hours after incubation commences, you can already see a resemblance to chick embryo. The backbone is visible within 20 hours and the eye begins to form by 24 hours. The heart begins to form by 25 hours and begins to beat by 42 hours.
If you leave eggs in the nest, the time hen(s) spend on the nest egg laying may warm the eggs enough to for development to start. If you then gather those eggs and set them in the incubator along with others, those eggs will have a head start and appear to hatch earlier than you had planned. The key may be whether on not the heart has begun to beat. If it has and then the egg is cooled down, the result would likely be a dead embryo.
The other reason for a staggered hatch may be caused by different temperatures in different parts of the incubator. If temperatures are a degree or two lower from one area to another, the embryos may still develop, but at a slower rate. Sometimes these fail to hatch but other times it just takes longer. In my experience with wild wood ducks, eggs can hatch anywhere from 27 to 30 days depending upon how frequently the hen leaves the nest and how warm or cold the weather is. You might expect this not to occur under a broody hen, but if she is on a lot of eggs, some eggs may get pushed to the outside edges and not be as warm. If the eggs get randomly redistributed by the hen everything evens out, but if an egg or two get caught up in the nesting material for a day or so, they may take longer to hatch.
If you are concerned about staggered hatches, gather eggs frequently to prevent the accidental onset of incubation, limit the number of eggs you give a hen or, if using an incubator, don't fill it from corner to corner. Set fewer eggs and cluster them in the center. If you set more eggs, rotate them around so each tends to experience all the temperature spots in the incubator. And be patient. Give eggs an extra 48 hours beyond the hatch date before you throw them out. You may be pleasantly surprised.
H W Heusmann​

TO ASSIST OR NOT TO ASSIST: refer AGAIN to end of https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/491013/goose-incubation-hatching-guide-completed for how to help a chick.

The one at this link made me teary eyed....

awwww she saved the peep!


Sites I will refer to:
Intervention: Helping Your Chicks Hatch
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/9316/intervention-helping-your-chicks-hatch

After the chick has made a hole in the shell, it stops pipping for three to eight hours and rests. During this time, it is acclimating its lungs to the outside atmosphere. After the resting stage is completed, the second stage of pipping begins....

The chick begins to turn slowly inside the egg. As it turns, usually counter-clockwise, the cutting edge of the chick tooth continues to chip away. In two to five hours, the chick has made about three quarters of a turn inside the egg. As the chick progresses in its movement around the shell, it begins pushing on the egg cap (large end). Squirming and struggling, the chick works feverishly for about 40 minutes pushing at the cap. Finally with a vigorous shove, the chick breaks free from the shell, still wet and panting.
When the chick is freed completely from the shell, it lies still. Its energy has been virtually exhausted, and it is extremely tired. After a rest of some few minutes, the chick begins to rise to its feet and gain coordination of its muscles. Within a few days the egg tooth, its usefulness over, will disappear. (http://chickscope.beckman.uiuc.edu/resources/egg_to_chick/procedures.html)

blood stop weak stop its too soon..... if she is breathing let her be wet membrane let her alone for 2 hours I keep peaking into the bator to see if they are still breathing..... SHE WILL NOT DIE in the shell unless she bleeds, cant breath and simply has health issues beyond your control

WARNING GRAFIC PICTURES!!!! BELOW, but I have found that they are necessary to be AWARE of HOW much time and patients helping takes!!! and WHAT RUSHING can really do and showing HOW MUCH STUFF THEY NEED TO ABSORB!!


























see this pic BELOW???? this is what would happen if you opened that membrane too soon and she kicked out prematurely!! Its ALOT to absorb and I wasnt kidding, I swear they have to absorb more than them themselves!! So let her rest! when she is reading she will tell you too, they get so much energy after they absorb that stuff!! CHIRP LOUD !!



this pic is from an youtube video assisted hatch.... I was so upset.... THIS CHICK IS CLEARLY NOT READY for intervention!!



IT TAKES A LONG LONG TIME for them to absorb all the veining sack and fluids!!! DO NOT RUSH THIS!


BELOW
see this membrane? this is close to what your looking for! thin thin veining and not so much blood!






If you feel he may be SHRINK wrapped (only YOU know what your cells, weight, and Humidity have been) maybe you should start reading how to help a chick...... I have watched a ton of videos on youtube and its done all the time with no problems and HAS SAVED many HEALTHY chicks!! PROOF on all those videos!

"Shrink wrap" vs. "Sticky chick"? https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/491421/shrink-wrap-vs-sticky-chick#post_6242987
Shrink wrapped: before pipping, both inner and out membranes dry tight around the chick; caused by too little humidity throughout incubation

Sticky chick: after pipping, the liquids dry becoming glue-like followed by concrete-like; caused by too little humidity during lockdown

Wet sticky or Swollen: the chick is swollen with water or simply very wet and sticky; caused by too high humidity throughout incubation

Drowning: the whitish outer membrane is dry while the clearish inner membrane is wet, binding the chick; also caused by too high humidity thoughout incubation

*Chicks experiencing more than one of the extreme conditions can exhibit multiple issues.
*These same issues can also occur during natural incubation, under a brooding hen.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/491421/shrink-wrap-vs-sticky-chick#post_6242987

Float Testing, Checking Egg Viability For Late Or Overdue Hatching Give Eggs A Full 24 Hrs Overdue Before Float Testing. It Works On All Bird Eggs- Period! Takes Very Little Equipment Or Time To Do And Is Easy To Perform.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/383525/float-testing-checking-egg-viability-for-late-or-overdue-hatching

Eggtopsy: What happened to my egg?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/363717/eggtopsy-what-happened-to-my-egg-graphic-pictures

check out
Trouble Shooting Failures with Egg Incubation @ http://msucares.com/poultry/reproductions/trouble.html

http://www.poultry.msstate.edu/extension/pdf/troubleshooting_incubation.pdf
http://anrcatalog.ucdavis.edu/pdf/8127.pdf

This is also a great pdf with pics: paste link in browser search:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=early%20emrbyo%20death%20%20incubation&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CDsQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thepoultrysite.com%2Fdownloads%2Fdownload%2F171%2F&ei=UllaUMXFHsmrygGnjoHICw&usg=AFQjCNGgYxCBYwBex31MS5w2McdnpH1zbw

ALSO this PDF at the last pages have a chart that shows what could have happened.... http://gallus.tamu.edu/library/extpublications/b6092.pdf

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: ditto!!