A Bielefelder Thread !

[Coop de Grass]

For those of you using a Biele Roo, ALL of you chicks will have a single copy of barring so they will all have headspots, the headspot as an indicator of sex in a mix only works if the hen is barred and the roo is not. However if Bieles are based on gold then putting them over a SLW will have sexlinked chicks with the males being silver and the females being gold

Thank you so much!

How do I know if my Biele Roo is based on gold? I wasn't aware of a distinction, but I am only 1 year into my obsession!
Here are 2 photos of Kaiser:




Thanks again!

 

[Saris]

Thank you so much!

How do I know if my Biele Roo is based on gold? I wasn't aware of a distinction, but I am only 1 year into my obsession!
Here are 2 photos of Kaiser:




Thanks again!

Chickens have 2 base colors, Silver and Gold, other colors are produced by black or red pigment genes and modifiers to those genes. Roos can be Silver, Gold, or be split and have both Silver and Gold, Hens can't be split, they are either on or the other. I think Bieles are gold (which is why there was talk here a bit ago about creating a silver Biele)

 

[jbkirk]

I haven't been on this thread in a while, but I wanted to make a few comments on my birds. I have heard a lot of people saying that they don't really lay big eggs or very many, and that they don't lay early. I have four pullets that were hatched in the beginning of January. Well they started laying medium eggs on June 2nd, and only layer a few eggs for the first week. Gradually the eggs have gotten bigger and more of them. This entire week I have gotten four eggs every day except one day I only got three. One egg is jumbo most of the days and two are at least large, and one is the light side of a large. How is it so much discrepancy between different peoples birds when they all came from the same place? I am very happy with the breed and will continue to raise them as long as I have chickens. Sorry for the long comment and happy farming.

It is because of certain disreputable characters which don't breed Beile's to Beile's but pretend that they do!

 

[jbkirk]

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My pretty Bieles are in their second juvie molt. They are 18 weeks old now. Hopefully they'll start laying in the next month or so, haha. Love them.

Does anyone know if the brighter red edging on the girl in the first pic is more to the standard than the all over even coloring of the 4th pic?

The idea of a characteristic color
To breed chicken, in which one of the plumage coloration the chicks can immediately notice
What's cock or hen, had already in the thirties of the last century, the English
Professor Punett. The characteristic color
is from many racial poultry farmers,
due to the homozygosity and different
Drawing image of tap and Henne, admired. From the commercial poultry breeding
is known, that there are other racial crossings be made to identify color
To get chicks, but in the Fowl Breeding no meaning have.
The idea of breeding characteristic colorfulness was after the Second World War by breeders and Jobs Regenstein revived as they created the Italians in characteristic colored.
Origin of the breed
Following this pattern of inheritance
then were also the Bielefeld Chickens came to its own characteristics. You are a the recent German breeds and excited after the first Presentation 1976 a stir in the Breeders world under the name German characteristic chicken. This Breed name in 1980 with the recognition renamed in Bielefeld Characteristic chicken. They were initially Although referred to as a characteristic color, but look completely different as if the already known characteristic colored Italians – particularly the rooster feathers. The Faucet should, as the Lower Rhine in crele, a tricolor chest drawing show. Why was even with the Bielefeldern the Changed colors blow designation, because it is unfortunately occurred, that some judges the Color always identify with the colored Have compared Italians. Many Breeders feel this color game as particularly beautiful, especially the transition of colors always fluent appear. The Bielefeld have in three decades very well distributed, so that when the federal Look generally between 60 and 100 animals are presented. The Not only is the characteristic color attributable but also the enormous egg production and the this breed its own large, brown egg owe. The Standard are as egg-minimum weight 60 g on, but it is known that not particularly Althennen Laying rarely 70g heavy eggs. If you look to the used Output breeds Welsumer, Mechlin and Amrocks look, are already significant Leis obligations Predictably. Above all, you in this Erzüchtung on a fairly schnellwüchsiges and fast befiederndes chicken selects what pays today.
Distinguishing shaping attributes
Overall, Bielefeld are a
quite large framed with a chicken
roller-shaped and particularly
elongated body. For this, a lot
Value on a long, straight
and horizontally supported Rue -
bridges down. The obtuse angle
worn tail, with broad, but only medium long feathers, should be pretty good by the hackles be covered. Breeding difficulties there are still quite often with the blunt tail angle, but the looks of the standard Now just before and as we can not ignore. Far too often the tail is fluent from the back with light Swing. The top and bottom line should almost parallel what particularly by the depth, width, nice arched chest underscored becomes. This should include the slightly less harmoniously as medium-high runs fit. The legs should be to most of the side feathers be covered, especially in the Henne. However, too krüperhafter Stand not welcome, but still too often in hens an issue that especially the right loose leg springs faked. When animals with short or even shown hollow round back, is to see this as a big mistake, which also applies to triangular types, since the deep, expansive chest missing. But also to high position and bring steep tail posture, besides not sufficiently distinctive Lege belly in Henne, Point deduction. Head points This breed is only with single comb bred, and generally today the Kopfbehänge at shown top size limit will. The comb is ideally four to six wide scheduled Pip, with only up to about half the comb blade reaching cuts. This should especially Crest flag the neckline follow, but by no means rest. At the laying hen allows you a slightly surrounding crest flag. Harmonious to comb size should be the wattles, being carried out at such a large Chicken also slightly larger Kopfbehänge should allow. Equally Should the red ear lobes in Insert the big picture. Under no circumstances White storage is permitted here. Overall, the head acts quite large pores in the tissue Face is primarily unbefiedert and bright red. These acts, the orange-red, some great eye pretty good. The beak and Legs should be absolutely yellow. If the hen is allowed that the yellow pigment with good egg production some may subside, what but does not imply that the hen so-called flesh-colored legs may have. ? 6 chicken poultry newspaper 18 | 2008 Bielefeld characteristic chicken Attractive through performance and characteristic colors
1.0 Bielefeld characteristic chicken, crele,
Nat. Dortmund 1997 v SB (Norbert Nagel Raesfeld-Erle) Photo: Wolters Chicks of Bielefeld characteristic chicken right of Hahn, left a Henne Photo: Beautiful
The subtleties the drawing Bielefeld characteristic chickens are now in crele and silver crele recognized what two quite attractive colors. In both Color strokes can also the chicks on the first day be distinguished. The stopcock see generally ocher ckenstreifen out, with light brown Rü and a white spot on the Sperber Head. The chick is Henn Tan with a small, well-defined Sperber spot on the head. The chicks of silver crele the chicken colored mousy, to slightly ocher in Sound, and have a fingernail-sized, white or slightly yellowish Head spot. The Henn chicks are gray brown with dark brown Back strips. The head spot is more like a tip of a pencil Lined gray dot. That's the way it is easy even for a layman, the gender to separate. Consider plumage colouration the crele more closely, so we need to tap and Henne treat separately, since they fundamentally different in plumage are. The Faucet should in the neck and Saturated same slope and upper back his reddish yellow, shoulders and Elytra show the same Color, but somewhat richer in color consistently reddish. This pleasant Hue is a whole by light gray Sperberung interrupted so that a drawing available is, but on the shoulders and elytra covered far becomes. A slight gray tint in the back and especially in the binding area is permitted. But in no case is a sooty, black neck finish, as he often will be shown, permitted. The Secondaries are gray-white tawny cuckoo desired. The lower neck, chest, flanks and Belly should consistently yellow to be slightly red and by a interrupted brighter Sperberung will. Here is the entire lower body, a slight gray tinge in the color allowed. The control springs and at least the upper hackles should his cuckoo gray, so the entire tail actually cuckoo appears gray and Mantle plumage contrasts. The start small hackles then already with yellow retention. slightly brownish tinge the tail is permitted, it should but not out of hand. The hen is uniform and plain in color match. She should a lightened, rust-colored partridge Jacket with fluffy feathers Show Sperber drawing. This Sperber drawing often occurs on the Elytra as a bright Tupfung on. The gold-colored neck hackle has a darker, almost black stem stroke with light gray Sperber retention, so cuckoo the entire neck hackle appears. The chest should his reddish-yellow in the female, generally one speaks of a Salmon breast. Again one sees often, especially at the edge of that noticeable in the spring Sperber factor makes. Also makes the Standard nor concessions, by a slight yellowish Flitter permitted in the mantle feathers - I would rather than Federsaum look. The tail feathers of Henne are quite dark, often slightly trickled. Exhibit valuable animals here even a little light Sperber factor especially in the coverts. In conclusion of this different color match is to say that you only with clearly marked Should breed roosters. Only in this way is always the recognizability the chicks guaranteed. Silver crele is an entirely new color swatch in the Fowl Breeding and the most recent Color of Bielefeld. The color originated from the crosses, the one for Erzüchtung Bielefeld used. The silver has this the yellowish red in the plumage of Replaced cock, because the head, neck and saturated same slope are here silver white having an embedded, like Sperber Drawing infielder of the springs. The back and shoulders and elytra should silver white with more or less concealed, gray hawk drawing be. Rue cken- and wing deck - springs are in the lower range spring cuckoo more, on the Fe - end but mainly silver white, so this area almost entirely silver white appears. Also the Primaries and the inner webs Show the secondaries more or less often somewhat unclear, gross Sperberung. The Outer webs of secondaries are silver-white and form thus the white wing triangle. The larger Wing coverts in the binding area should cuckoo dark gray be. Breast, leg, Belly and tail should in Alternation of light and dark gray slightly arched, without sharp boundaries, be cuckoo. Also Poultry newspaper 18 | 2008 Chickens 7? ? The covered tail feathers should an indicated Sperber drawing show. Because the hens a more or less bright, more own bread yellow salmon breast, it comes naturally very often, that the valves in the jewelery feathers show little yellow tinge. However, the applicable standard as loud blunder, so you actually allow only a light cream can. The hen should at the head Neck hackle with a silver white dark gray hawk drawing his featherweight infield. The neck shaft line is this drawing interrupted. Under no circumstances should the Kopfbefiederung with black or brown feathers start. This is a gross error, even when the standard allows that the neck area slightly darker is permitted. The breast is indeed salmon to reddish yellow desired, but here are white feather games permitted. The entire Mantle plumage is covered by bright to dark gray, slightly bogiger Sperberung which nevertheless possible
show sharp differences should. The intermediate parts in the Spring show a slight gray giant Lung. Especially in shoulder and Back is a light tinsel allowed the animals without Flitter act racy. Rust on the elytra is frowned upon and counts as a big mistake. The Swing and tail feathers of Hen are much darker and unclear in the somewhat crude Sperberung, Never should the feathers but completely black be. In addition to the beautiful form and Colors have the Bielefeld also a significant economic Value by a particular tasty and meaty Carcass yield. After all If the tap 3 to 4 kg and the Henne from 2.5 to 3.25 kg Weight control and laut Standard 230 eggs per year, but what reaches only sporadically and is not generalized can be. Fritz Beautiful
they first talk about the histroy of auto-sexed chickens, the auto-sexing Italians (Leghorns) of Mr. Jobs and Mr. Regenstein..., fast forwart to the Bielefelder body
type:
Overall, Bielefeld are a quite large framed with a chicken cylindrical and particularly elongated body.
It is very importend that back is long, straight and horizontally carried by the chicken.
The tail should be worn in a obtuse angle, with broad,but only medium long feathers and should be pretty good coverd by the hackles.
The obtuse angle of the tail is often difficult to achieve, but the standard is clear that is has to be a obtuse angle.
Far too often birds with a tail that is flowing from the back in a light arc are shown.
The top and bottom line should almost be parallel with an nice arched deep chest that underscores the body lines.
The leggs should be a little bit less than medium-high and fit harmoniously.
The thighs should be coverd by the side feathers. This is especially importen for hens.
but it should not look like a Krüpper....a Krüpper or a Scotish Dumpy
Birds with short or hollow round backs or a triangular body - missing broad chest- should not be shown.
BIrds will lose points for to high position and steep tail posture,
and a not sufficiently distinctive layer-belly in hens.
Head points
This breed is bred only with single comb. Being now generally shown with big head marks. The comb has ideally four to six sprongs withe a wide base. The comb blade should only be cut in half by the prongs. Comb flag should follow the topline of the head/neck, but never lie to the side. for a laying hen a slightly leaning comb is allowed. The wattles should be harmonious to comb size , a big chicken can also have slightly larger headgear. Similarly, the red earlobes should fit in the overall picture. white earlobes are not allowed. Overall, the head appears quite large pores in the tissue, the face is mainly featherless and vivid red underscoured by orange-red, big eyes. The beak and legs should be deep yellow. If a hen is a very good layer, she is allowed to have a paler yellow pigment, but that does not means that the hen can have flesh-colored legs.

The coloration.
the first paragraph is about the chicks, darker strips for the girls and the point and the lighter color for the boys.
ff to the rooster:
The neck, the upper back and the saddle should be reddish yellow, the shoulder and the wing cover should be reddish yellow but deeper in color and more reddish. This pleasant tone is interrupted by light gray cuckoo-strips so that a drawing is present, but is in the backround on the shoulder and the wings. A slight gray shadowing on the back is permitted, especially in the binding area. But the neck should not show black-sooty hem. That is often shown but should not be bred.
The secondaries are desired gray-white-tawny cuckoo.
The lower neck, chest, flanks and belly should be yellow to slightly reddish and are interrupted by a brighter cuckoo.
A light gray shadow is allowed on the entire lower body.
the control feathers(?) and at least the upper hackles should be gray cuckoo, so that the entire tail appears actually gray cuckoo and contrast the body color.
The small hackles begin then already with yellow retention. A slightly brownish tinge in the tail is permitted, but he should not get out of hand.

The hen is more uniform and more plain colors. You should show a lightened, rust and partridge colored coat feathers with fluffy cuckoo drawing. This cuckoo drawing often occurs on the elytra as bright spots. The gold colored neck has a darker, almost black stem stroke with light- gray cuckoo dots, so that the entire neck hackle appears cuckoo colored. The chest should be reddish-yellow in the female, generally it is called a salmon breast. especially at the edge the cuckoo dots are noticeably again.

Than they go on and talk about the silver-crele color you can see in the pics, too.
This is the german standard translated by someone.(I don't remember who)

 

[DesertChic]

It is because of certain disreputable characters which don't breed Beile's to Beile's but pretend that they do!

Well, my Biels were "pure", but I think at least one of the breeders was more concerned about volume than quality. When I had still contemplated focusing no this breed I had planned on going directly to GFF for new stock, but now it's a moot point. I'll just be happy to retain as many of the most favorable characteristics of the Biels while I cross them with more heat tolerant birds.

 

[DesertChic]

I haven't been on this thread in a while, but I wanted to make a few comments on my birds. I have heard a lot of people saying that they don't really lay big eggs or very many, and that they don't lay early. I have four pullets that were hatched in the beginning of January. Well they started laying medium eggs on June 2nd, and only layer a few eggs for the first week. Gradually the eggs have gotten bigger and more of them. This entire week I have gotten four eggs every day except one day I only got three. One egg is jumbo most of the days and two are at least large, and one is the light side of a large. How is it so much discrepancy between different peoples birds when they all came from the same place? I am very happy with the breed and will continue to raise them as long as I have chickens. Sorry for the long comment and happy farming.

I love the breed too! But I am one of those people who's experienced, shall we say, egg laying challenges with my Biels. I applaud you and everyone else who loves this breed enough to breed for quality, not just volume, but I suspect that I got at least some of my birds from a "quantity over quality" sort of breeder. At least I managed to get the two best roosters on the planet...not that I'm biased or anything.

 

[Coop de Grass]

Has anyone fed ice chips to the Bieles to cool them down?

 

[DesertChic]

Mine won't eat ice chips. They'll drink freezer-cooled water, but they want nothing to do with ice.

 

[CrowHollowFarm]

This is the most humid week have had, but the girls are still pumping out the eggs. I do notice that they are standing around with wings out and breathing a little hard, so I keep them in a 24 hour a day shaded and ventalated area. Otherwise it's business as usual for them.
And thanks for the reply, I figured as small as the gene pool is it shouldn't be that much of a discrepancy in many areas. The Germans are perfectionist and I really don't think they would have been satisfied with the breed if they couldn't get true traits. I've already had people on my place asking how to reproduce that color by breeding a cock to other breeds of chickens. So they will have to find birds so where else.

 

[Coop de Grass]

Mine won't eat ice chips. They'll drink freezer-cooled water, but they want nothing to do with ice.

I gave them crushed ice this afternoon and they went after them like crazy. I figured that it might be ok since I gave them frozen berries yesterday. I didn't check it until this evening, and I've read that you should just put the ice cubes in their water.

Do you think that there is a difference between the frozen treats and the ice chips?