A century of Turkey talk 2000-2100.

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Thanks! Looked it up...Cicada Wasp it is. And who doesn't like a crunchy/gooey treat??

Like Chocolate Covered Cherries with an Almond Crunch (according to the birds)......

 

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@R2elk

Would this be associated or related to my poult with the crooked toes? Or is this something totally different? Daughter found this article yesterday. Below is the link, with some of the statements in it.

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Curled-toe paralysis is caused by riboflavin (vitamin B2) deficiency in young chicks. It is one of the most characteristic signs associated with the vitamin deficiency, resulting in the curling of the chicks toes.

Chicks that are fed a riboflavin-deficient diet will begin to show signs at about 8 to 14 days following hatch. They will slowly develop progressive symmetrical paresis starting with initial signs of reduced growth rate (despite a good appetite), weakness and sometimes diarrhea.

Riboflavin is one of the vitamins most likely to be deficient in poultry feeds. Only a few feed ingredients that are used in poultry feeds that contain enough riboflavin to contribute to the requirements for growth and reproduction.

See more at: http://www.poultrydvm.com/condition...mJTh-qEK_F0Ij7OIiP92sQ5C_JUyX73aciYtrhF2dV0YM

 

[R2elk]

@R2elk

Would this be associated or related to my poult with the crooked toes? Or is this something totally different? Daughter found this article yesterday. Below is the link, with some of the statements in it.

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Curled-toe paralysis is caused by riboflavin (vitamin B2) deficiency in young chicks. It is one of the most characteristic signs associated with the vitamin deficiency, resulting in the curling of the chicks toes.

Chicks that are fed a riboflavin-deficient diet will begin to show signs at about 8 to 14 days following hatch. They will slowly develop progressive symmetrical paresis starting with initial signs of reduced growth rate (despite a good appetite), weakness and sometimes diarrhea.

Riboflavin is one of the vitamins most likely to be deficient in poultry feeds. Only a few feed ingredients that are used in poultry feeds that contain enough riboflavin to contribute to the requirements for growth and reproduction.

See more at: http://www.poultrydvm.com/condition...mJTh-qEK_F0Ij7OIiP92sQ5C_JUyX73aciYtrhF2dV0YM

It could be related. They are claiming the curled toes show up 8 to 14 days following hatch. What most people are experiencing is curled toes due to genetics, nutrition of the adults during egg laying and incubation problems. My experience is that chicks, keets or poults needing assistance hatching often have curled feet due to not developing properly during the shove to get out of the shell.

A good quality turkey or gamebird starter feed will have the required B vitamins already in it. The ones that can be having problems are those that feed a poor quality starter. It is an easy issue to deal with by mixing a vitamin B complex pill at the rate of 1/2 pill or capsule dissolved in one gallon of water. Do not add anything else to the water and make it the only source of water. It should be made fresh daily.

Personally I don't recall having any turkey poults with curled toes and definitely have never had any that developed the curled toes as late as 8 to 14 days in any of my poultry. But I do feed a quality turkey and gamebird starter.

 

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It could be related. They are claiming the curled toes show up 8 to 14 days following hatch. What most people are experiencing is curled toes due to genetics, nutrition of the adults during egg laying and incubation problems. My experience is that chicks, keets or poults needing assistance hatching often have curled feet due to not developing properly during the shove to get out of the shell.

A good quality turkey or gamebird starter feed will have the required B vitamins already in it. The ones that can be having problems are those that feed a poor quality starter. It is an easy issue to deal with by mixing a vitamin B complex pill at the rate of 1/2 pill or capsule dissolved in one gallon of water. Do not add anything else to the water and make it the only source of water. It should be made fresh daily.

Personally I don't recall having any turkey poults with curled toes and definitely have never had any that developed the curled toes as late as 8 to 14 days in any of my poultry. But I do feed a quality turkey and gamebird starter.

And, R2elk, I thought I was using and still using a good starter. I have never had a problem with raising chicks or turkeys on any starter feed. Both the brand I bought from a brick and mortar store and the new turkey starter I just began using - both have riboflavin as an ingredient, although I am NOT sure at what percentage. I AM going to ask Josh exactly what he puts in his non-GMO feed as far as minerals, vitamins, and supplements.

Then again, the only thing different is that my first turkeys were either local or born here - and the midget white eggs were shipped eggs from several states away. Only the one has crooked toes. (Btw, his name is Digits, lol) I am also positive that had the poult been born with crooked toes, I would have seen that right away. I swear he did not have crooked toes at all.

Anyway, I am getting riboflavin in powdered form to add to either water or food. I guess water is the best bet. It can't hurt as they claim there is no toxic level to ingesting too much of it, and it could help. Woth a try, regardless.

 

[R2elk]

And, R2elk, I thought I was using and still using a good starter. I have never had a problem with raising chicks or turkeys on any starter feed. Both the brand I bought from a brick and mortar store and the new turkey starter I just began using - both have riboflavin as an ingredient, although I am NOT sure at what percentage. I AM going to ask Josh exactly what he puts in his non-GMO feed as far as minerals, vitamins, and supplements.

Then again, the only thing different is that my first turkeys were either local or born here - and the midget white eggs were shipped eggs from several states away. Only the one has crooked toes. (Btw, his name is Digits, lol) I am also positive that had the poult been born with crooked toes, I would have seen that right away. I swear he did not have crooked toes at all.

Anyway, I am getting riboflavin in powdered form to add to either water or food. I guess water is the best bet. It can't hurt as they claim there is no toxic level to ingesting too much of it, and it could help. Worth a try, regardless.

Just get a vitamin B complex. It has all of the B vitamins that they need including riboflavin, niacin and thiamine.

It wouldn't surprise me if the problem is genetic. I had a rooster that had curled toes. Some of his offspring would also have curled toes. Once I eliminated him from the breeding pool, I no longer got any chicks with curled toes.

The other thing to look at is its hocks. A poster in the Guinea Fowl forum has a keet that has developed what appeared to be a crooked toe but closer examination shows a swollen hock indicating perosis which is caused by a deficiency in niacin and thiamine.

 

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Just get a vitamin B complex. It has all of the B vitamins that they need including riboflavin, niacin and thiamine.

It wouldn't surprise me if the problem is genetic. I had a rooster that had curled toes. Some of his offspring would also have curled toes. Once I eliminated him from the breeding pool, I no longer got any chicks with curled toes.

The other thing to look at is its hocks. A poster in the Guinea Fowl forum has a keet that has developed what appeared to be a crooked toe but closer examination shows a swollen hock indicating perosis which is caused by a deficiency in niacin and thiamine.

Thanks, R2elk! I will do that tomorrow. I just looked and do not see anything odd with his hocks - just the crooked toes. Since he is mostly going to be a pet only, I'm not "toooo concerned" and esp since my daughter (she's 40) claimed the little guy. lol. The other 3 appear to be perfect and seem to be doing very well. Of course, they are still on the dining room table, but I did upgrade their brooder to one with more "height". Now they have "roosts" - which are about 2 3/4" wide flat boards.

 

[duluthralphie]

Name this bird...weird white on back..

 

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Ralphie - I have no idea what variety he is, but if I was going to name him - it would be "JigSaw"

 

[CindyinSD]

Frosty.

 

[aliciaplus3]

Is he nice? He could come stay here in Colorado?