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Here's another genotype question for peoples to think about. When you have two two of two different genotypes (lets use JJ and Ethel) how do they make so many different color options for babies? If certain genes are dominant wouldn't all the babies get the dominant genes?


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Using JJ and Ethel as an example. they have 3 pairs that control their color. The 3 pairs are Bb Dd Rr. The upper case letter is dominant. I use the term "genes" with these. Technically that is wrong they are "alleles" Which is a part of the gene. When I tell you these things understand I am a lay person and not an expert, so CUT me some SLACK you purest out there.


The B controls Black
the D is the gene controlling the slate appearance
R is the red part.

JJ and Ethel are Bb Dd Rr SO they have a dominant and an submissive alleles for each of the three "genes" we care about for their color.

When they mate each one of them can pass on one alleles to their baby. So JJ gives the baby a "B" and Ethel gives him a "b". JJ gives a "D", Ethel a "d" and finally JJ gives a "r" and Ethel gives a "R".

So writing the offspring's "gene code" ( I coined that) it would be Bb Dd Rr this is identical to JJ and Ethel so we would have a rusty slate just like them.

Before we go on, know that all genes do not express or insert themselves equally.

Now the next offspring gets a different bunch of alleles from JJ and Ethel. Lets say JJ gives the baby "b" "D" "r" and Ethel gives it a "b" "D" "r".

The genetic make up would be " bb DD rr" That is Ginger, Has no gene for Dominant Black and has no dominant gene for Red. so you get that washed color he has and because he has a dominant gene for "slate" it is all washed out.. Hence Ginger.


Now which allele goes to the offspring is completely random and equal. JJ can give 50% of his offspring a B and 50% a b. Ethel the same. When you add put them together, the baby has a 25% chance of having "BB" and "bb". There is 50% chance of Bb. If the first letter comes from JJ and the second from Ethel it is 25% Bb and 25% bB. BUT the dominant gene is always written first, so Bb and bB are the same thing written as Bb. Did that make sense?

There is a thing called a Punnet Square . It is a graph with the Each parents "genes listed on the X and Y axis. I have put the B and b above each column
I cannot get the B and b to go vertically alongside the rows. So you have to put them there in your mind. But I think you get the idea of how the genes are passed to the babies. I wrote them as if the first letter in each box comes from the top bird and the second from the bird on the side. remember a Bb and a bB are identical.

B b

BB Bb
bB
bb​
It is the same way the sex of the baby is passed.

It is all random and when you think there is 3 pairs in JJ and Ethel it makes more combinations possible, We can do the same square for the D and the R.

All three are needed to give us the end result. Does this help?
 
Here's another genotype question for peoples to think about. When you have two two of two different genotypes (lets use JJ and Ethel) how do they make so many different color options for babies? If certain genes are dominant wouldn't all the babies get the dominant genes?

In the case of JJ & Ethyl, their genotype is Bb, Dd, & Rr along with all the other dominant genes. Since their other genes are dominant those genes can be ignored since they will provide the same effect in each case. Having the three pairs of both dominant and recessive genes gives the ability to come up with 27 different combinations of genes. Because none of these particular genes are sex linked it gives the ability to come up with both a male and a female version of each or a total of 54 combinations when the male and female chromosomes are included.

BB, DD, RR - Self Blue
BB, DD, Rr - Jersey Buff Semi Slate
BB, DD, rr - Jersey Buff Slate
BB, Dd, RR - Blue Slate
BB, Dd, Rr - Slate Edged Jersey Buff Semi
BB, Dd, rr - Slate Edged Jersey Buff
BB, dd, RR - Black
BB, dd, Rr - Jersey Buff Semi
BB, dd, rr - Jersey Buff
Bb, DD, RR - Barred Self Blue
Bb, DD, Rr - Rusty Lavender (aka Rusty Self Blue)
Bb, DD, rr - Semi-Jersey Buff Slate
Bb, Dd, RR - Barred Slate
Bb, Dd, Rr - Rusty Slate
Bb, Dd, rr - Rusty Self Blue Semi-Slate
Bb, dd, RR - Barred Black
Bb, dd, Rr - Rusty Black
Bb, dd, rr - Semi-Jersey Buff
bb, DD, RR - Lilac
bb, DD, Rr - Lavender Red Bronze
bb, DD, rr - Lavender Edged Bourbon Red
bb, Dd, RR - Red Slate
bb, Dd, Rr - Blue Red Bronze
bb, Dd, rr - Slate Edged Bourbon Red
bb, dd, RR - Bronze
bb, dd, Rr - Red Bronze
bb, dd, rr - Bourbon Red
 
No, I'm not using any lights.... I need to get electricity in the coop. The hen is a hybrid from earlier this year, I think her genotype is Bb Rr Ee, all though Mr.Belly Button might have a little bronze since he's showing barred wings.( Mr.Belly Button is her father and DH to the hen!)


I think that is a "rusty Black. The same as Penguin which would explain why he is a belly button. Check the picture there.
http://www.porterturkeys.com/variouscolorcombos.htm

If he is he is Bb Rr

I am not sure what the E plays or if it plays in your belly button. E is brown.

However from Porters site "

Color genes in turkeys are not always completely dominant or recessive.
 
Yes makes sense. But lets add to the confusion some here. If dominant "genes" aren't always passed why are they considered dominant "genes"?


If there is a dominant gene present it will rule. Read what R2elk wrote he did a good job on it! When JJ and Ethel mate, looking at that punnet square I made.

in 25% of all offspring there will be no dominant B. Dominant applies to the color, not that it is dominant in being passed on. Each gene has the same chance of being passed to the offspring.
 
Yes makes sense. But lets add to the confusion some here. If dominant "genes" aren't always passed why are they considered dominant "genes"?

They are dominant genes because when they are passed they are dominant over recessive genes. The dominance has nothing to do with whether they are passed, it only means they will be expressed if they are present.
 
I think that is a "rusty Black. The same as Penguin which would explain why he is a belly button. Check the picture there.
http://www.porterturkeys.com/variouscolorcombos.htm

If he is he is Bb Rr

I am not sure what the E plays or if it plays in your belly button. E is brown.

However from Porters site "

Color genes in turkeys are not always completely dominant or recessive.

Hope you don't mind me jumping in, but I think Copper2's Belly Button turkey is part Chocolate.
 

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