A century of Turkey talk 2000-2100.

[Finnie]

A Bourbon Red tom can carry a hidden recessive Narragansett color gene (bb rr Nn). Because the Narragansett (n) color gene is a sex linked gene, a Bourbon Red hen cannot have a hidden recessive Narragansett color gene. If that gene were present, she would be a Bourbon Buff (bb rr n-) and not a Bourbon Red (bb rr N-).

Do you think the difference in those wing patterns could be narri then?
I posted photos of mine a while back. Here they are again

Oh gee, oops, how did that baby picture get in there! (I'm babysitting today. )

The poults are a month older than that now. I should try to get newer pictures to show their differences now.

 

[R2elk]

Do you think the difference in those wing patterns could be narri then?
I posted photos of mine a while back. Here they are again
The poults are a month older than that now. I should try to get newer pictures to show their differences now.

I don't think so. The barred wing feathers are a trait associated with the Narragansett but it is a very common trait that is also associated with Bronze. The only difference between a Bronze and a Narragansett is the presence of the Narragansett color gene (n).

The Palm background may be the separating trait here as Palms do not have barring on their wing feathers but it might also be due to the Bourbon Red as their wing feathers are also not barred.

The Palms are where the Black Winged Bronze (b1) gene may be affecting the patterns on the wing feathers.

A Bourbon Red tom can also be a carrier of the Black Winged Bronze color gene (bb1 rr)

 

[JRNash]

 

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[JRNash]

The yellow dog, "Zeke"took exception with the turkeys eating HIS dogfood.
"Pincher" (black dog) could care less

 

[Finnie]

I don't think so. The barred wing feathers are a trait associated with the Narragansett but it is a very common trait that is also associated with Bronze. The only difference between a Bronze and a Narragansett is the presence of the Narragansett color gene (n).

The Palm background may be the separating trait here as Palms do not have barring on their wing feathers but it might also be due to the Bourbon Red as their wing feathers are also not barred.

The Palms are where the Black Winged Bronze (b1) gene may be affecting the patterns on the wing feathers.

A Bourbon Red tom can also be a carrier of the Black Winged Bronze color gene (bb1 rr)

Thanks R2elk. Little by little I am learning how to "see" the different color mutations. I can understand genetics and how it works, but until I can recognize how genes look on the actual birds, it won't help much.

When I got home I took new photos of the poults. In this case, the father is the Bourbon Red and the mother is the blue Palm. I was assuming they were both pure, but since the poults have differences they shouldn't have, I'd like to try to figure out what the genetic difference is. That way I can choose which to keep for breeding next year.

In the photos, the darkest one (which must lack the blue gene) is one of the ones that has the unexpected wing pattern, so I don't think it's a normal red bronze. (We will try to figure out whether it's the b' gene in action.)
The others all have a blue gene, so they are the blue red bronzes. And one of those has the unexpected pattern too. The other three have striped wings like a bronze or red bronze should have.

I hope the system doesn't balk at 15 photos! I'll do them thumbnail to save space. Aaaaand they all went to the top of the post! Oh well.

 

[Finnie]

And while I'm flooding the thread with photos, here are some bug eyed babies. They werent due until the 4th, but they started hatching while I was gone to my daughter's. There were two out when I got home, and two more since. (And two without pips. Maybe they are waiting until they are due.)

I'm hoping this yellow one that seems to have a grey stripe down its back might be Sweetgrass!

 

[JRNash]

Hey Ralph,this is what happens when you brood turkeys with ducks

 

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[JRNash]

I told my wife,I find it ironic that the broad breasted poults are so friendly. They were purchased for two reasons. To EAT,and to satisfy my curiosity as to how big they REALLY get. Them and the ducklings were brooded together so they flock together. For the last couple of days they've been free ranging. That comes to an end tomorrow. They will be penned so I can stuff them with high protein feed for the next 6 months.