A century of Turkey talk 2000-2100.

R2elk · Jun 24, 2018

PolarBerry said:
Up to 5... not sure what the odds are for the remaining 20 eggs to actually hatch but they get another day or so. Curious if my low hatch rates are from something I’m doing or with my incubator... I’ve had people buy fertile eggs and get 80-100% success rates in their incubator so I’m thinking it’s my incubator/technique? I did follow Porter’s advice for temps/humidity and have done lockdown at the right time and haven’t opened the incubator at all since start of lockdown.... fingers crossed for more babies to prove me wrong.

Only thing I can really think of (other than incubator itself) is the house doesn’t keep steady temperatures this time of year so my eggs in holding to hatch are subject to that.

Using other people's guidelines is a place to start but ultimately you have to work out the settings that work best for you in your location.

Here is some information on Common Incubation Problems.

BreanneRN · Jun 24, 2018

Building a turkey cooling station in my coop, will consist of shade cloth, one of those plastic stand up misters and the lid from a large plastic storage tub, may add a solar fan, but they are $50.00, so that may have to wait (more for the solar panels). The girls are too hot! When the poults and I go bug hunting, I will lift the storage tub lid and they will run under there and eat all the bugs! We do this everyday now, with the water bucket...

BreanneRN · Jun 24, 2018

@R2elk, probably just a question of semantics, there are an astounding number of "breeds of dogs" but they are all the same species (canis lupus familiaris). Perhaps she was using the word breed in that sense when she should have used variety to be correct with the APA. At a dog show, the word breed would always be used to distinguish different types. For instance Best of Breed. There are 2 species of turkeys. Animal Specialty Associations seem to like to generate their own dictionarys and vocabulary... (as do the vast majority of other areas of expertise). I'm all good with them doing that but don't feel the need to involve myself in lingual gymnastics of that type...

OneMountainAcres · Jun 24, 2018

The broody bunch has broken up...a little. Princess, after 2 days off babies under her has left the family and is no longer interested. Pebbles has stepped up to play number 1 mom with Mary helping out. The babies aren't sure who they're supposed to follow. They chased after Princess for a minute but are now kinda doing their own thing. Pebbles and Mary keep trying to find them up. It's rather silly actually. The rest of the turkey flock doesn't seem to know what to make of the babies.

PolarBerry · Jun 24, 2018

7 babies and 4-5 more pipping. One also pipping backwards. 2 have their beaks out breathing and three to four of the already hatched ones were standing around pecking like mad at the poor externally pipped’s beaks... they did chip away extra shell so guess they’re “helping”.

Bird world is rough from the start!

R2elk · Jun 24, 2018

BreanneRN said:
@R2elk, probably just a question of semantics, there are an astounding number of "breeds of dogs" but they are all the same species (canis lupus familiaris). Perhaps she was using the word breed in that sense when she should have used variety to be correct with the APA. At a dog show, the word breed would always be used to distinguish different types. For instance Best of Breed. There are 2 species of turkeys. Animal Specialty Associations seem to like to generate their own dictionaries and vocabulary... (as do the vast majority of other areas of expertise). I'm all good with them doing that but don't feel the need to involve myself in lingual gymnastics of that type...

When a person makes the claim that the APA recognizes 7 breeds of turkeys when the APA site clearly recognizes one breed, then the person making the false claim is making an outright lie. There is no semantics about it. She has clearly posted a lie. There is good reason that the APA only recognizes one breed and that is because of how shallow the gene pool in turkeys is.

An example of how closely turkeys are related is that if you cross a Bronze turkey tom with a Narragansett turkey hen, all of the female offspring will be pure Bronze turkeys and all the male offspring will be Bronze turkeys carrying the hidden Narragansett gene.

What the dog world does with their terminology does not apply to turkeys.

BreanneRN · Jun 24, 2018

@R2elk, Of course not, nor does the terminology of turkeys apply to dogs... or to cats, etc., etc. I can tell that that matters a lot more to you than me... Sorry to have offended you with the posting. I enjoyed the article and it's focus on genetics and am able to forgive linguistic errors of vocabulary and errors regarding the pronouncements of the APA. I guess maybe I would feel differently if I felt she was purposefully lying to mislead people, but I don't. I'm sure the APA has plenty of literature available at their site that spells out the intricacies of their terminology/pronouncements and as a disclaimer, I recommend that anyone that desires such information in its most accurate form go there first (as I would, if I wanted to know).

R2elk · Jun 24, 2018

BreanneRN said:
@R2elk, Of course not, nor does the terminology of turkeys apply to dogs... or to cats, etc., etc. I can tell that that matters a lot more to you than me... Sorry to have offended you with the posting. I enjoyed the article and it's focus on genetics and am able to forgive linguistic errors of vocabulary and errors regarding the pronouncements of the APA. I guess maybe I would feel differently if I felt she was purposefully lying to mislead people, but I don't. I'm sure the APA has plenty of literature available at their site that spells out the intricacies of their terminology/pronouncements and as a disclaimer, I recommend that anyone that desires such information in its most accurate form go there first (as I would, if I wanted to know).

There seems to be a concentrated effort on the part of certain groups to deny that turkeys are just one breed. Her site is not the only site that proclaims that the APA recognizes multiple breeds of turkeys and those proclamations are outright lies. There are also a lot of chicken people that attempt to apply chicken terms to turkeys.

The problem with that posting is that the deal about breeds is not the only false information in the posting. You can try to figure out for yourself what the falsehoods are.

OneMountainAcres · Jun 25, 2018

Princess has rejoined the broody bunch and those girls are doing a great job so far! Both babies are doing well. The moms are like sharks circling them in the morning lol. I'm glad they're not aggressive!