A century of Turkey talk 2000-2100.

[sfgwife]

I store pecans in cardboard boxes on back porch until I get them cracked to sell. What I keep and clean I put in cleaned mayo jars in freezer. Sometimes it is spring before I get them all cracked and/or cleaned.

We have a few black walnut trees and i was wondering what the best way to store them was. I am gonna have to pick up the green balls though if i want any. The squirrels go for those before anything else seems like.

 

[FredsGobblers]

Walnuts when I do mess with them I store them where squirrels can not get to them. Then when the outer husk starts turning I run them through a corn sheller like this one or just dump on ground and run over with mower tires to get that husk off. I hate the staining from prepping walnuts. But those black husks work good for staining my foothold traps.

 

[OneMountainAcres]

I love English walnuts but I do NOT like black walnuts! We had an old black walnut tree near out house when we lived in town and we gathered some up, saved them, dried them etc. When e finally tasted them, they were so gross! Maybe e did something wrong..... But I don't think I'll ever give them a chance again lol

 

[memphis]

Oh I don't like black walnuts either! My mom used to love black walnut ice cream....blah!

 

[Flashpoint]

@R2elk

I received an answer from Kevin Porter on the turkey genetics page.

He said, "It has an Oregon gray pheno."

I looked it up on Porter's website - and this is what I found. Hmmmm. I read what he has written on his site and also on other sites.

So exactly what does having the 'Oregon gray pheno' mean in layman terms? So we were wrong to consider Calico or Cornish Palm? Or not? At least Tommie "appears" to be a heritage bird. lol


These photos are from Porter's Rare Heritage Turkeys website.

 

[R2elk]

Calico - b1b1 cgcg nn Rr

Oregon Gray - bb cgc nn

Cornish Palm - b1b1 Ccg NN

Black Winged Oregon Gray - b1b1 cgc nn

Royal palm - b1b1 cgcg nn

Sweetgrass - b1b1 cgcg NN

Personally I think your tom has too much brown to be an Oregon Gray but I have never dealt with Oregon Grays so what do I know.

I assume that if you started out with Royal Palms and Bronze, you could have had a Royal Palm that wasn't a Royal Palm but was a Black Winged Oregon Gray and crossed it enough times with Bronze to swap out the black winged bronze gene for the bronze genes and managed to retain the recessive white gene throughout this that it would be possible to get an Oregon Gray.

The other possibility is that you were cross breeding with white turkeys that were bronze based (brown eyes) which is where the recessive white gene would have come from.

You will need to tell me what you started with to get him.

 

[shawluvsbirds]

Memphis, you need to come and get DQ. She would fit right in with Daisy. She follows me around, when I am not moving she stands about three feet away and stares at me with that head cocked sideways stare.... and gossips..,

she goes on and on, clicking, peeping, twilling and just making noise. Not an agitated noise, more like a content sound mixed with nagging because I haven’t given her exactly what she wants.

If I sit on something and there is room for her she jumps up. If I touch her or hold her the drama starts.

I will pick her off her roost in the evening when I lock up just to hear her drama. She does not try to escape, she just throws a drama fit. When I put her back on the roost she does not try to run away. She just tells me how undignified it was to be held. Then settles back down right where I set her.

She feels and acts entitled.. if she does not find a home she will end up being entitled to a spot in the freezer and on the table...poor DQ.

 

[Flashpoint]

Calico - b1b1 cgcg nn Rr

Oregon Gray - bb cgc nn

Cornish Palm - b1b1 Ccg NN

Black Winged Oregon Gray - b1b1 cgc nn

Royal palm - b1b1 cgcg nn

Sweetgrass - b1b1 cgcg NN

Personally I think your tom has too much brown to be an Oregon Gray but I have never dealt with Oregon Grays so what do I know.

I assume that if you started out with Royal Palms and Bronze, you could have had a Royal Palm that wasn't a Royal Palm but was a Black Winged Oregon Gray and crossed it enough times with Bronze to swap out the black winged bronze gene for the bronze genes and managed to retain the recessive white gene throughout this that it would be possible to get an Oregon Gray.

The other possibility is that you were cross breeding with white turkeys that were bronze based (brown eyes) which is where the recessive white gene would have come from.

You will need to tell me what you started with to get him.

And I have NO idea. I do know where he came from and just told my daughter she needs to take me down and introduce me to the breeder. Maybe I can get some answers - or possibly raise more questions?

That said, after looking at a lot of photos of what has been classified as "Oregon Gray turkeys", a great many of them have the brown dispersed over the entire body, including the photo from Porter's.

So - I have no real idea other than talk to the breeder or do a DNA test - and I'm pretty sure doing that test on this particular turkey just isn't going to happen. I have resisted the urge so far to even use him for breeding because of his size compared to Iron and have only used him as a "lawn ornament". lol

Even so, I would like to know what the breeder has down there as Porter says the Oregon Gray can be developed by a large variety of other turkeys. I do have a hunch that the place may just have a lot of turkeys and whatever happens - happens.

 

[FredsGobblers]

He said, "It has an Oregon gray pheno."

phenotype
[ˈfēnəˌtīp]
NOUN
biology
the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.
So it has observable characteristics of an oregon gray. Could maybe be a frosted oregon gray which has a red gene bb cgc nn Rr
Kind of like all tri color palms are characterized as calico with the appearance of each possibly being different depending on how the genes interact.
Just my thoughts.

 

[R2elk]

And I have NO idea. I do know where he came from and just told my daughter she needs to take me down and introduce me to the breeder. Maybe I can get some answers - or possibly raise more questions?

That said, after looking at a lot of photos of what has been classified as "Oregon Gray turkeys", a great many of them have the brown dispersed over the entire body, including the photo from Porter's.

So - I have no real idea other than talk to the breeder or do a DNA test - and I'm pretty sure doing that test on this particular turkey just isn't going to happen. I have resisted the urge so far to even use him for breeding because of his size compared to Iron and have only used him as a "lawn ornament". lol

Even so, I would like to know what the breeder has down there as Porter says the Oregon Gray can be developed by a large variety of other turkeys. I do have a hunch that the place may just have a lot of turkeys and whatever happens - happens.

If the white (c) gene came from a BBW, it would explain his size.