A century of Turkey talk 2000-2100.

[R2elk]

So in Sweetgrass and Palms that is where the cg/cg comes in? the c and the c on both sides gives you the white you see in those birds?

cg =Gray [Semi-gray] it does not equal c and g. It is not the only color gene that is represented by 2 letters such as Pn and Sl.

 

[KF0002]

When I've helped my friend with broody hens previously, I approached them the same way I've approached chicken hens. My friend was afraid to deal the the hissing puffy broody turkey hens. They are bigger and bite harder, but I handled them the same way and the same methods that helped for chickens for breaking up broodies and things like that for example were the same. Everything else I'm figuring out as I go, but I am eager to learn. That is why I am so appreciative of the information and advice I've received on this thread/website.

 

[R2elk]

When I've helped my friend with broody hens previously, I approached them the same way I've approached chicken hens. My friend was afraid to deal the the hissing puffy broody turkey hens. They are bigger and bite harder, but I handled them the same way and the same methods that helped for chickens for breaking up broodies and things like that for example were the same. Everything else I'm figuring out as I go, but I am eager to learn. That is why I am so appreciative of the information and advice I've received on this thread/website.

Breaking broody turkey hens is relatively simple. Take all the eggs and destroy the nest site is all it usually takes.

 

[KF0002]

cg =Gray [Semi-gray] it not not equal c and g. It is not the only color gene that is represented by 2 letters such as Pn and Sl.

So what makes a palm have white and some tri colors and sweetgrass have some white? Where does the grey come in in a Sweetgrass? I've seen varying colors of chestnut, some black, and some white in Sweetgrass, black and white in palms, etc. but what does the cgcg do to a bird's phenotype?

 

[KF0002]

Breaking broody turkey hens is relatively simple. Take all the eggs and destroy the nest site is all it usually takes.

Her's were pretty set on staying in the nest box, eggs or no. And it didn't help that she had chickens in the pen that were adding eggs back to the nest daily.

 

[KF0002]

I moved the hens to an empty pen for her with no nests like I would with a chicken and in a couple weeks they were no longer broody. That was merely an example of how while I understand the birds are different in many ways, they are similar in many ways also. So until I learn more about turkeys, having owned chickens has been helpful experience.

 

[KF0002]

Something very interesting I have stumbled across that has really helped me to understand how Narragansett affects the appearance of Sweetgrass. Please correct me if I am understanding wrong. While Narragansett is recessive and is not visually displayed unless a bird inherits two copies, one from each parent, I am trying to get to the bottom of how to tell the difference in a Sweetgrass and a tri colored palm or Calico. Phenotypically the birds can appear very similar and difficult to tell apart, but genotypically they are different. According to a rather old thread I found at the link I will attach to the bottom of this post that states as follows:

"Narragansett genes tend to lighten up whatever color is already present. They turn bronze birds into the typical gray Narragansett, red bronze into golden Narragansett, and sweetgrass into royal palms."

A bird that inherits the cg and b1 from each parent will only be sweetgrass if it doesn't inherit a naragansett recessive gene from both parents. A Fall Fire tom mistaken as a Sweetgrass split to narragansett will throw some Calico offspring if mated to a Sweetgrass hen. Some tri colored palms (Calico) I think are mistaken for Sweetgrass and used in breeding programs yielding lighter colored "sweetgrass" that are genetically b1b1 cgcg Nn Rr (males) and b1b1 cgcg n- Rr (females). I believe this to be a possible case in the birds I have.

Am I understanding correctly or am I way off the beaten path? I seek understanding of this so I can eventually pick through my birds to see what is useful in breeding toward the Sweetgrass I want.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/turkey-color-genetics-lessons.541598/

 

[yesterDAYNE]

Breaking broody turkey hens is relatively simple. Take all the eggs and destroy the nest site is all it usually takes.

If only all of us were so lucky...

 

[Molpet]

If only all of us were so lucky...

I remember someone that had a lightbulb on the workbench that she tried to hatch LOL

 

[KF0002]

More useful information from the old thread on the topic that is helping me learn:

"The white site is more interesting than this, though. It is also the site of the gray gene, cg. So a bird will some combination of two of C, c, or cg. Oregon grays, which are a beautiful collection of shades of gray, are b+b+cgcg. Interestingly, the black-wing based version of Oregon gray, b1b1cgcg, is a sweetgrass. Sweetgrass turkeys look more red than gray, but do not have any red genes. They are often confused with calicos, that do have a red gene.

The cg gene is also called the palm gene. Royal palms are black-wing based with two palm genes and two Narragansett genes, b1b1cgcgngng. The royal palm is the basic uncolored palm. All other palms are based on the b1b1cgcgngng, and just add other genes for color. For example, Calicos add one red gene b1b1cgcgngngRr. Red palms have two red genes, b1b1cgcgngngrr. Similarly blue palms add blue genes and chocolate palms add brown genes."

My question: Are tri colored palms and calicos the same? If not, what makes them different.