A Dangerous Topic - the new health care plan

[Crusty McPottydoodle]

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Long, long waits are relative.

We have a triage system. There are no long, long waits when the situation is serious.

One close friend had an itch discoloured patch on her leg. She went to the GP. She was immediately sent to a specialist who confirmed it was cancer and she had it removed within days.

Another close friend has battled breast cancer twice. There was no wait for her. The longest time period was her making the decision whether to remove the lump or the whole breast.

I went into emergency with abdominal pain. They weren't sure whether it was gall bladder or appendix (I was not presenting with typical appendix symptoms). Gall bladder surgery had a waitlist. They didn't bother to risk it being my gall bladder. They operated anyway. I had a massive infection in my abdominal cavity. Not appendix (although they took it to be sure). Time between arriving in emergency and out of surgery? 19 hours.

My son had his arm broken when he got jumped at school. Time at the hospital? 3 hours TOTAL from arrival to leaving with a cast. We had no sooner sat down in the waiting room and we were called.

My point? Here in Canada there are waitlists for stuff that isn't urgent. If it is serious you get seen right away.


For those of you who are thinking Shona Holmes and her brain tumor - that has been debunked. She had a cyst that could affect her eyesight and it was a pre-existing condition. Were she to have really had a brain tumor, she would have been dealt with immediately. Google her. There is an article in the Ottawa Citizen. I don't have time to find it right now as I am off to court to watch a government lawyer squirm about why the government had emails relevant to a corruption trial that were requested a couple of years ago destroyed in May of this year.

So there you have it, my provincial government officials are as corrupt as they come and yet, I still defend the healthcare system they preside over.

 

[Bluemoon420]

As a small business owner you would be exempt of employer responsibilty if you make under 250,000.

Bluemoon

 

[joebryant]

It is truly time to actually level the playing field and end corporate welfare – both parties have given them enough of our tax dollars…probably enough to pay for all of our healthcare costs!

 

[Wifezilla]

Anyone who wonders what a single payer program would look like in the US just has to look at an existing program. Indian Health Services. The government has been running this program for a LOONNNGGG time.

Corruption, theft, scandal, running out of money by June.....
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-09-450
http://www.reznetnews.org/article/indian-health-cares-broken-promises-35270
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/08/a-look-at-government-health-care-go-to-the-reservation/


Gee...combine this with the efficiency of the post office and the compassion of the IRS....

Where do I sign up???? NOT!

 

[karl lutz]

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Fat chance that that would last. Lets look at soc sec, We cant as a nation afford that. How wiil we as a nation absorb these costs.It is LUNACY to believe otherwise if you just observe history. Oh by the way people that make more money already pay more money in Taxes.

 

[HarlansHollowFarms]

 

[australorpchick]

Yard full o' rocks :

I think the saddest thing of all is that "they" want to impose the new system on "us", BUT, just like Social Security, "they" are not willing to live under the guidelines of the proposed system. "They" will continue to have their current system of healthcare....not the one imposed upon us.

NOW, if every one of the Congressmen/women, every Sentator was required to live under the guidelines of what they want to impose upon us, then I might feel differently AND, you can be assured that the proposed legislation would look entirely different!!

Do you think Ted Kennedy would have gotten cancer treatment/surgery under the proposed system? Surely not....he's "too old" and the treatment too expensive. BUT WAIT, he's a US Senator

Why should they be treated any differently than the rest of the US citizens???!!

At age 45 I'm hoping that I can out run most of the government socialism/communism that is rapidly coming at us.....BUT, I truly fear for my children. What will be left for them? A mountain of debt that can never be re-paid and taxes that will never allow them to live the life most of us have enjoyed.

My 2 cents.....

I completely agree. If it's not good enough for them, it's not good enough for my family.

As for shared responsibility, where was my say when people who couldn't afford themselves, have a child, then another and another. What we're lacking in this country is a lot of personal responsibility.​

 

[karl lutz]

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I completely agree. If it's not good enough for them, it's not good enough for my family.

As for shared responsibility, where was my say when people who couldn't afford themselves, have a child, then another and another. What we're lacking in this country is a lot of personal responsibility.

The gov has put the burden of costs on the employers for unemployment, medicaid, medicare,and soc sec ,but do not bail us out. We" small bus." shoulder the major economic burdens of this country yet ,if I fail there is no bail out. as well there should not be !
NO welfare, No entitlements, No huge salary for lawmakers.Go Get A real JOB!is the answer for your own Prosperity! Work is the back bone that gave this country disdinction and sucess not entitlements
And handouts.

 

[Bluemoon420]

Those folks have health insurance. It's called medicaid.
The folks that are uninsured ( including myself) are the ones whose job can't afford to cover their employees because of the cost. Or the ones who are DENIED coverage because of previous medical conditions. If it is possible to find a place that agrees to cover you, you pay some outrageous premium you can't afford anyway. Lets also not forget the ones who also lost their jobs. They don't have coverage either.

Bluemoon

 

[BlackBart]

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The lists for surgeries and specialists are on a triage basis.

I would say my biggest complaint of free healthcare is the people who abuse it and there is many! Chronic healthcare abusers is a major problem.

That is why the system is being burdened, and is part of the reason for the longs waits.
The government tried to put in a user fee of $5-$10 per visit to weed out chronic abusers but the public wasn't having any of that! Then they complain of the long waits.

There are private clincis where you can have minor operations, MRI's etc. done but you have to pay for that yourself.
Thats great if you have the money.