Abacot and Silver (Spotty and Snowy) Call duck Thread - Genetics, etc...

[Pyxis]

I have a question. Can you name some common combinations that could be mated to create Silver/Spot and Abacot/Snowy.

For example, if you had a fabulous Gray drake that you wanted to start with, what could you mate him over to eventually get to either of those colors? What would the ducks need to carry? How would the following generations go?

You can't get snowy without the harlequin gene, so to get snowy from a gray, you need to either already have a snowy to cross to it, or another color that has the harlequin gene like Spot, or a duck you know to be carrying harlequin.

Same with Spot, only in that case you also need one li Light Phase gene too, and the same applies to it as to harlequin. It needs to already be there or you need to have a duck you know carries it.

In my call duck breed book it refers to silver in England as being "our" snowy.
And spot or spotted as a different color. . resembling snowy.

Yes, I'd always read in books and online that Silver in the UK was our Snowy. That is why I said that in the original thread that spawned this one. But if the genotype of Abacot is this:

M+M+ li^h li^h e+e+ bl+bl+ C+C+ B+B+ r+r+ D+D+ Bu+Bu+

As @Upper Brook House Farm says, then that is indeed the same as our snowy.

Speaking of which, @Upper Brook House Farm I was going to ask in the other thread but didn't want to derail it further. What is the genotype of your Silver ducks?

 

[shawluvsbirds]

What about this girl? I've been calling her a pastel but she produced a chocolate duckling.

 

[Upper Brook House Farm]

Yes, I would just call them silver and abacot.

I wish we all had the same names for each color.
I've never heard the use of abcot until now.

 

[Upper Brook House Farm]

Silver call ducks would have the following genes: Harlequin phase, dusky. It would be a single dose of the harlequin gene.

I agree with Pyxis comment, you can’t get snowy without the double harlequin gene, which is known as the ACG.

Would this match up with yours?

In my call duck breed book it refers to silver in England as being "our" snowy.
And spot or spotted as a different color. . resembling snowy.

You can't get snowy without the harlequin gene, so to get snowy from a gray, you need to either already have a snowy to cross to it, or another color that has the harlequin gene like Spot, or a duck you know to be carrying harlequin.

Same with Spot, only in that case you also need one li Light Phase gene too, and the same applies to it as to harlequin. It needs to already be there or you need to have a duck you know carries it.



Yes, I'd always read in books and online that Silver in the UK was our Snowy. That is why I said that in the original thread that spawned this one. But if the genotype of Abacot is this:

M+M+ li^h li^h e+e+ bl+bl+ C+C+ B+B+ r+r+ D+D+ Bu+Bu+

As @Upper Brook House Farm says, then that is indeed the same as our snowy.

Speaking of which, @Upper Brook House Farm I was going to ask in the other thread but didn't want to derail it further. What is the genotype of your Silver ducks?

 

[shawluvsbirds]

Yes, I would just call them silver and abacot.

Would you call my duck above a pastel?
I'm fine with having non standard colors in my pet flock. But it is nice to know what I have that IS standard in case I do ever want to selectively breed for a certain color.

 

[Pyxis]

Silver call ducks would have the following genes: Harlequin phase, dusky. It would be a single dose of the harlequin gene.

So your Silver doesn't have the light phase gene like our Spots do? That would then make them a whole other new color, technically, and not the same as our Spot.

 

[Upper Brook House Farm]

I would say that it IS a pastel, a pastel may have a chocolate gene in, or your bird could have a chocolate gene in but it isn’t visible in her because the other genes are dominant and the chocolate gene is often recessive.

Would you call my duck above a pastel?
I'm fine with having non standard colors in my pet flock. But it is nice to know what I have that IS standard in case I do ever want to selectively breed for a certain color.

 

[Upper Brook House Farm]

Would you call my duck above a pastel?
I'm fine with having non standard colors in my pet flock. But it is nice to know what I have that IS standard in case I do ever want to selectively breed for a certain color.

And that’s a chocolate BIBBED, the chocolate gene WILL be recessive because the white gene also came out in that specimen.

 

[Pyxis]

I agree with Pyxis comment, you can’t get snowy without the double harlequin gene, which is known as the ACG.

Just a quick question, since the two alleles for harlequin are inherited separately, and the gene is already called harlequin, how come you guys call it by the name of 'ACG'? You only call it that name when they have two copies? If so, what would you say when they are only carrying the harlequin gene? Would you say they're carrying 'ACG'? But it sounds like you only call it 'ACG' when two of the alleles are present in a double dose, so probably not?

 

[Pyxis]

And that’s a chocolate BIBBED, the chocolate gene WILL be recessive because the white gene also came out in that specimen.

The chocolate gene is always recessive It's also sex linked, so females can only ever inherit one copy, and it always expresses due to that. Males can inherit two copies, so they can carry it without expressing.

The reason that duck has a bib is because he's on the Extended Black base, E, which has bibbing linked to it. He doesn't actually carry white (I know that because I know his parents, haha).

Bred to any non-chocolate female duck, he will produce all females expressing chocolate, and all males carrying chocolate but not expressing it.