All but one of my turkey poults died mysteriously!!!!!

[gmendoza]

I am having a nightmare problem.All of my turkey poults except for one has died.Thye were very healthy before death.Not skinny and showed no signs of sickness, until that very day of death.They would twitch around,then flap their wings funny,then lay on the ground and give up.

Whats going on? Last years poults from Ideal were great and we still have a hen.

This years batch sucks.

Im at a loss of words for Ideal.I thought they were good. Guess not.

 

[poultrypalacewhidbey]

hi, 26% protein feed is fine, it is important however to make sure that it is a turkey or gamebird starter. many chick starters do not have the proper % or kind of vitamins and minerals for poults. In terms of medication in the feed this is a personal choice however i recommend against it. I used medicated feed for several years when i first started raising poultry but switched long ago to non-medicated feed with no increase in my % of poults lost. Unless you are ordering a specially mixed feed a medicated turkey or gamebird starter will contain only a medication for coccidiosis. the medication will do nothing against any other illness, also medicines only work against bacterial illnesses and will not help if your birds are infected with a virus. I recommend against medicated feed because it is not a good method of administering medication to birds and can possibly harm them. the risk with administering medication via feed or water is that the bird will get not enough or too much of the medication. For medications mixed into feed high brooder temperatures will make the birds eat less as they use less energy to keep warm. in this case the bird may not get an adequate amount of medication. alternatively if the brooder is too cold the birds will eat more in order to produce more energy to keep warm causing it too ingest too high of a dose of the medication. Some medications that are safe for animals at a normal dosage are quite lethal when administered at higher doses (ivermectin for instance). some strains of birds have very little tolerance for high doses of coccidiosis medicine. the same general idea goes for administering medication via water. hot brooder, higher water intake+too much medication etc. Although it is more expensive and less convenient i recommend only administering medication to birds that show signs of illness and doing so by giving each individual bird a proper dose of the given medication. If you have a coccidiosis problem most feed stores carry coccidiosis medications that can be mixed with water and administered orally with a syringe (the type without a needle available at most feed stores and pharmacies). Other medications are available at most feed stores or through the gamebird supply companies if you think that your problem is not coccidiosis, which it sounds like it is not. if a bird has coccidiosis they almost always show symptoms for at least a day prior to death.

 

[PeacockMan]

It is no mystery that Turkey Poults die when they are not wormed and no medications are kept on hand for them.


SICK PEACOCKS, PHEASANTS, TURKEY, QUAIL and other Game Birds...If your Peacock is sick but has no congestion or other symptoms of a respiratory infection, it is highly likely it has a protozoan disease like Coccidiosis, Blackhead Hexamitiasis or Canker. These deadly protozoan diseases can only be effectively treated with anti-protozoal medications.

With the exception of Amprolium for Coccidiosis, all anti-protozoal medications have lost their FDA approval as feed additives in animals for human consumption. However, they are still approved for the treatment of animals not used for human consumption.

FOR TREATIJNG PROTOZOAN DISEASES you will need the antiprotozoals Ronidazole and Furaltadone found in Medpet 4 in 1.
FURALTADON is an anti-protozoal effective for Coccidiosis only. But, it is also a broad spectrum antibiotic that will treat respiratory and other bacterial infections like Salmonella and E. Coli.
RONIDAZOLE is an antiprotozoal effective for: Blackhead, Hexamitiasis and Canker.

In total, MedPet 4 in 1 is effective for the treatment of:

COCCIDIOSIS, BLACKHEAD, CANKER, HEXAMITIASIS, GIARDIASIS, SALMONELLA, PULLORUM & E. COLI…also Bacterial Gastroenteritis, Fowl Typhoid, Coryza, Colisepticemia, Infectious Synovitis, Pneumonia, Vibrionic Hepatitis, Mycoplasmosis, Colibacillosis, Staphylococcus, Air Sac infection and Conjunctivitis.

MedPet 4 in 1 can be purchased from Ebay and allbirdproducts.com Be sure to compare shipping cost. For convenience, purchase the powder that can be mixed with water. But it also comes in tablet form.

At the allbirdproducts.com site you can “Live Chat” with Kalvin, the Certified Avian Specialist.

As a preventative, give a wormer with the MedPet 4 in 1 because the deadly protozoans are transmitted by worms. Safeguard, at one half tsp per gallon of water for 3 days is recommended. It is also recommended to follow the MedPet 4 in 1 treatment with Probiotics. A recommended brand is Pigeon Biotics. Combining the Medpet 4 in 1 with the Safe Guard wormer for the same 3 days as the Medpet 4 in 1 preventative treatment is recommended as a measure to knock down protozoan populations and to clean out any subclinical infections while treating for worms.

MedPet 4 in 1 should be half strength for chicks under two weeks old.

WITH HOLD OYSTER SHELL GRIT, CALCIUM AND VITAMINS DURING TREATMENT. They can make the Furaltadone less effective.

 

[casportpony]

It is no mystery that Turkey Poults die when they are not wormed and no medications are kept on hand for them. 


SICK PEACOCKS, PHEASANTS, TURKEY, QUAIL and other Game Birds...If your Peacock is sick but has no congestion or other symptoms of a respiratory infection, it is highly likely it has a protozoan disease like Coccidiosis, Blackhead Hexamitiasis or Canker. These deadly protozoan diseases can only be effectively treated with anti-protozoal medications. 

     With the exception of Amprolium for Coccidiosis, all anti-protozoal medications have lost their FDA approval as feed additives in animals for human consumption. However, they are still approved for the treatment of animals not used for human consumption.

     FOR TREATIJNG PROTOZOAN DISEASES you will need the antiprotozoals Ronidazole and Furaltadone found in Medpet 4 in 1. 
FURALTADON is an anti-protozoal effective for Coccidiosis only. But, it is also a broad spectrum antibiotic that will treat respiratory and other bacterial infections like Salmonella and E. Coli.  
RONIDAZOLE is an antiprotozoal effective for: Blackhead, Hexamitiasis and Canker. 

In total, MedPet 4 in 1 is effective for the treatment of:

COCCIDIOSIS, BLACKHEAD, CANKER, HEXAMITIASIS,       GIARDIASIS, SALMONELLA, PULLORUM & E. COLI…also Bacterial Gastroenteritis, Fowl Typhoid, Coryza, Colisepticemia, Infectious Synovitis, Pneumonia, Vibrionic Hepatitis, Mycoplasmosis, Colibacillosis, Staphylococcus, Air Sac infection and Conjunctivitis.

MedPet 4 in 1 can be purchased from Ebay and allbirdproducts.com  Be sure to compare shipping cost. For convenience, purchase the powder that can be mixed with water. But it also comes in tablet form. 

At the allbirdproducts.com site you can “Live Chat” with Kalvin, the Certified Avian Specialist. 

As a preventative, give a wormer with the MedPet 4 in 1 because the deadly protozoans are transmitted by worms. Safeguard, at one half tsp per gallon  of water for 3 days is recommended. It is also recommended to follow the MedPet 4 in 1 treatment with Probiotics. A recommended brand is Pigeon Biotics. Combining the Medpet 4 in 1 with the Safe Guard wormer for the same 3 days as the Medpet 4 in 1 preventative treatment is recommended as a measure to knock down protozoan populations and to clean out any subclinical infections while treating for worms.  

MedPet 4 in 1 should be half strength for chicks under two weeks old. 

WITH HOLD OYSTER SHELL GRIT, CALCIUM AND VITAMINS DURING TREATMENT. They can make the Furaltadone less effective.

I have a few issues with this post...

1) 1/2 teaspoon of Safeguard per gallon is *not* an effective dose. Giving too little medication can cause resistance. Best to have routine fecals done and treat accordingly. If fecals cannot be done, worm orally the proper amount of a broad spectrum wormer like Safeguard or Valbazen. If you must use wormer in water, look into getting something like Wormout Gel.

2) IMNSHO, Med Pet 4 in 1 should not be used as a preventative.

3) Proper doses of medications should be given orally based on weight of the bird.

-Kathy

 

[A.T. Hagan]

How long have you had the poults?

What exactly are you feeding them and what is it's protein percentage?

We're going to need more info to help you figure this out.

 

[gmendoza]

How long have you had the poults?
What exactly are you feeding them and what is it's protein percentage?
We're going to need more info to help you figure this out.

Since Feb 22nd

Turkey starter/grower

I dont remember the protein percentage.I have to go home to find out and I am at work.

 

[ButchGood]

I have 4 BBB from Ideal. They are 3 weeks old yesterday and looking really good. I hope I don't have this problem. I'm feeding 28% Purina medicated turkey starter. They've been living outside for a week with some beautiful warm Texas weather.

 

[judsenn]

You didn't say how old they were??? I heard it's pretty vital to have them on 28% protein...and there are mixed reviews on whether the food should be medicated. I really don't know the answer, but I'm curious t hear the responses considering I have 11 BS eggs due to hatch in about 12 days and whatever is going on with yours could happen to mine.

 

[chicken danz]

If you've had the poults since Feb 22 it's not a fault with Ideal. Are you feeding medicated food? Turkeys are much more susceptible to disease than chickens are and must have medicated food. I would guess they all contracted some disease and I would certainly disinfect the area you had them to keep it from spreading.

 

[judsenn]

If you've had the poults since Feb 22 it's not a fault with Ideal. Are you feeding medicated food? Turkeys are much more susceptible to disease than chickens are and must have medicated food. I would guess they all contracted some disease and I would certainly disinfect the area you had them to keep it from spreading.

See..that's good to know, because I've read several posts saying they should NOT have medicated food. Since I already bought UNmedicated food, would I be able to put Duramycin in their water and compensate that way? Or should I just go buy a new bag of food all together? (plus my starter gamebird feed is only 26%...couldn't find 28% ANYWHERE.)