American game coloration

[centrarchid]

Tim,

Maybe my idea of redquill is inaccurate? I will find photographs of what are though of as redquill. We want this to be redquill related so will be simple.

 

[Jude Turkman]

WE call it the "RASA" in our country as they are like great fighters. Rasas are of commonly four types here, the Talisay, Pula, Buyogon, and Bangkas. They're docile and graceful warriors in the battle fields. THey're very interesting!

 

[centrarchid]

Tim,

Following photograph has three colormorphs, two of which are included previously in thread.

Four are black breasted reds.
To are the heterozygous version
And one "redquill"

To my eyes the "buffquills" in previous posts have the same pattern on the back hint of spots on brows. Another photo showing head may be needed to show that. All you have to do is smoke something and cross your eyes to see simularity. Photo does not show pattern very well.

 

[centrarchid]

WE call it the "RASA" in our country as they are like great fighters. Rasas are of commonly four types here, the Talisay, Pula, Buyogon, and Bangkas. They're docile and graceful warriors in the battle fields. THey're very interesting!

Jude, you are throwing out that are new to me with possible exception Bankas. Can you elaborate?

 

[tadkerson]

The little guy by himself with the broken marks on the face, He/she looks red quill to me.

Tim

 

[centrarchid]

The little guy by himself with the broken marks on the face, He/she looks red quill to me. Tim

A lateral shot might show pattern in pale guys. Camera makes them look more uniform than my eyes see where color is lighter. You need to see them in person.

 

[centrarchid]

Tim, photographs of dam to some of chicks above. Multiple shots taken to show marking on various types of feathers and overall pattern on body. Later, I will upload pictures of hens that develope from the "redquill" color pattern shown above. My concern is you are going to say that is not redquill but rather brown red (gamefowl term only one I am comfortable with).

 

[centrarchid]

One more. If hen in the image is bred to a bird like the one listed as grandsire you will get some chicks with the redquill pattern.





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[tadkerson]

The dam could be carrying the pattern gene. She has a mixture of autosomal barring and single lacing in her feathers.

Ya that hen is not red quill for sure.


Does she have black pigment in her non feathered parts on her head? Pigmented comb, ear lobes and wattles are associated with the birchen allele not the brown allele. Also her beak does not look horn in color. She appears to have a darker beak color which is also associated with birchen.

She could be a dark brown phenotype but also could be a birchen/wheaten heterozygote. Your birds do not conform to the normal phenotypes associated with homozygous birds.



Tim

 

[Vcomb]

I have crossed wheaton to birchen before two different times and both times got hens very similar to this. Usually they were darker red in the hackles, but I chock that up to the darker red coloration in the wheaton fowl I used.

Sorry for the poor quality image: