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So cute!My latest hatch has really pale orange chipmunk strips.
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Hello everyone! I have followed this thread for a while now and I need someone to help me with my seramas. I want to know if they have any potential as breeders. I do not plan on showing. I would love some help with their color as well. They are from Cocopop lines. The lady I bought them from said that they were "Cocopop". Is that their color?
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I don't know about the color but they are beautiful. If you enjoy them go for it!
Cocopop comes from a certain line of seramas, I believe Captain Cocopop was his name. His coloring was spectacular and people are trying to be able to reproduce that coloration on a consistant basis.
Tthis is from Sun Valley Seramas on their Cocopop thread:
I am starting a thred to really be helpful for those who are trying to replicate the cocopop color in serama, this is not an easy task for any of us!! This particular color has mutch varience like in horse color, some buckskins are very dark sutty and others are buttermilk/along with dunfactor etc. I am a visual learner so please post photos of birds in question and we can pick them apart to find out what they are composed of.. Now when asking for color disection it is also helpful to have test mated them and have photos of chicks that are produced, lets say a roo with two different hens, will give is a good idea of what the roo can produce and so fourth. You can see what is consistantly produced in the chicks from two different hens and the same father, I am sure that we will have mixed opinions as to what is said, but please lets keep this Fun and I really and looking for informative and helpful information. This color is getting VERY popular and we need at least 5 breeders over the period of 5 years to breed this color true to move the acceptance forward, This is noooo easy task. But lets give it a shot...
Here is a photo of the origional CAPTAIN COCO POP, he was Bred By Jerry seramas LLC then later purchased my Grady Taylor in FLorida Where he lived till his passing on 2010!!
This is how Cocoapop is defined in Europe according to resident expert Sig.
Bronze tailed
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle shining orange with a matt bronze brown shaft stripe.
Shoulders and back shining red brown. Primaries matt bronze brown with a brown feather edge.
Secondaries red brown outer vane (wing triange) and matt bronze brown inner vane.
Breast, wing coverts, wing bands, abdomen and lower thighs in light chestnut brown. Main tail feathers very dark matt brown with almost invisible lighter colour shade towards the basis. Sickles shining bronze brown, secondary sickles slightly peppered and very shining. Down: brownish grey.
Hen: head, hackle deep yellow, lower hackle matt brown shaft stripes with yellow quills. Primaries yellow with matt brown inner vane. Back, wing coverts, saddle and tail coverts light yellow with yellow quills and feather edges. The inner part of these feathers have a more or less matt brown peppering. Breast, abdomen, lower thighs evenly light yellow. Tail chocolate brown, upper main tail feathers in colour and pattern like tail coverts. Down: greyish.
Legs: yellow
Severe faults: impure breast colour of the rooster, dark ornamental feathers, missing shine; hen a very light or patchy groundcolour.
Laced Bronze tailed
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle shining orange with a matt bronze brown shaft stripe.
Shoulders and back shining red brown. Primaries matt bronze brown with a brown outer edge.
Secondaries with red brown outer vane (wing triangle) and matt bronze brown inner vane.
Breast, wing coverts, wing band, abdomen and lower thighs light chestnut brown with fine dark lacing. Main tail feathers very dark matt brown with almost invisible lighter colour shade towards the basis.
Sickles shining bronze brown, secondary sickles slightly peppered and very shining. Down: brownish grey.
Hen: like bronze tailed.
Legs: yellow
Severe faults: impure lacing on the rooster, dark ornamental feathers, missing shine; hen: very light or patchy groundcolour.
Bronze tailed Silver neck
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle: visible part light cream till almost white, feather basis light brown.
Shoulders and back shining orange red. Primaries, matt bronze brown with a brown outer edge. Secondaries red brown outer vane and small cream coloured inner edge (red brown wing triangle with some cream coloured mixed thru is allowed), inner vane matt bronze brown.
Breast, wing coverts, wing bands, abdomen and lower thighs light chestnut brown.
Main tail feathers very dark matt brown with almost invisible lighter colour shade towards the basis. Sickles shining bronze brown, secondary sickles slightly peppered and very shining. Down: brownish grey.
Hen: head and hackle wheaten coloured with a silverish lacing and in lower hackle a matt brown shaft stripe. Primaries wheaten coloured with matt brown inner vane. Back, wing coverts, saddle and tail coverts wheaten coloured with a light feather edge. The inner part of these feathers have more or less distinct grey brown peppering. Breast, abdomen and lower thighs light wheaten coloured with a pale feather edge and pale feather quill. Tail grey brown, the upper main tail feathers in colour matching the tail coverts. Down: greyish.
Legs: yellow.
Severe faults: impure breast colour of the rooster, strong yellow or patchy ornamental feathers, missing shing, hen: very patchy ground colour, missing pale lacing.
Laced Bronze tailed Silver neck
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle: visible part light cream till almost white, feather basis light brown.
Shoulders and back shining orange red. Primaries, matt bronze brown with a brown outer edge. Secondaries red brown outer vane and small cream coloured inner edge (red brown wing triangle with some cream coloured mixed thru is allowed), inner vane matt bronze brown.
Breast, wing coverts, wing band, abdomen and lower thighs light chestnut brown with fine dark lacing. Main tail feathers very dark matt brown with almost invisible light chestnut brown colour shade towards the basis. Sickles shining bronze brown, secondary sickles slightly peppered and strong shining. Down: brownish grey.
Hen: as Bronze tailed Silver neck
Legs: yellow
Severe faults: impure lacing of the rooster, strong yellow or patchy ornamental feathers, missing shing, hen: very patchy ground colour, missing pale lacing.
Bronze tailed Silver neck double laced:
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle: visible part light cream coloured to almost white, feather basis light brown. Shoulders and back shing orange red. Primaries matt bronze brown with a brown outer edge. Seconaries with red brown passing into cream outer vanes (wing triangle is two coloured redbrown/cream), inner vane matt bronze brown. Breast, wing coverts, wing band, abdomen and lower thighs light chestnut brown with a fine blackish lacing around the feather edge. On the inner side of this lace a distinct cream coloured inner lace. Main tail feathers very dark matt brown with almost invisible light chestnut brown to the basis. Sickles shining bronze brown, by-sickles slightly peppered and strong shining. Down: brownish grey.
Hen: as bronze tail silver neck hen.
Legs: yellow.
Severe faults: a blurred lacing on the rooster, a too broad creme coloured inner lace by which the breast is not evenly three coloured, strong yellow or patchy ornamental feathers, missing shine; hen: a very patchy ground colour, missing paled edging around the feathers.
Laced Silver bronze tailed
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle silvery white with a matt light bronze brown shaft stripe. Shoulders and back silvery white. Primaries matt bronze brown with a white outer edge. Secondaries white outer vane (wing triangle) and matt bronze brown inner vane. Breast, wing coverts, wing bands, abdomen and lower thighs silvery white with a fine blackish lacing. Main tail feathers matt brown, with invisible to greyish white to the basis. Sickles shining light bronze slightly peppered. Down colour: brownish grey.
Hen: head and hackle almost white with in the lower hackle a matt brown shaft stripe.
Primaries very pale wheaten coloured with grey brown inner vanes.
Back, wing coverts, saddle and tail coverts creame coloured to almost white. Inner part of the feathers a very weak undistinct matte grey brown peppering. Breast, abdomen and lower thighs almost white. Tail light grey brown, upper main tail feathers matching in colour and pattern to the tail coverts.
Down: greyish.
Legs: yellow.
Severe faults: the rooster a strong yellow shade in groundcolour and impure lacing; hen: a patchy ground colour.
Edgar as you can read is this colour based on both eWh (wheaten) and eb (Asiatic partridge).
Cocoapop is considered to be a rooster colour, the hens can be exchanged (except for s+ and S) since they have a slight pencilling but for most it looks like peppering.
In the Serama Colours book I have photos of these colours. I'm on page 72 translating of 113 pages. I print it in 50 copies when ready and send them to Jerry, will take a few weeks. Guess early January ready.
FYI:
Weight: rooster till 500 grams, hen till 425 grams
Minimum weight breeding eggs: 23 grams (this implicates larger hens than exhibition hens)
Egg colour: beige to cream white
Ring size: rooster 11, hen 10
Judging:
Judging colour and pattern faults is only used to distinguish similar birds in type. Colour and pattern are of less importance compared to the other breed characteristics.
Cage judging: bird can best be judged outside the cage on the judge's table because it shows better its type.
Edgar: in Europe judges and their writers drag a small table (incl. coffee) with them thru the rows of cages.
Other accepted colours:
White
Black (a few gold, red, silver feathers in hackle of roosters allowed just like in black silkies)
Blue (even blue or edged blue, few red or silver feathers allowed)
Bronze (chocolate)
Mottled (few gold, red feathers allowed)
Blue mottled
Bronze mottled
Wheaten
Silver wheaten
Bronze wheaten (black replaced by bronze/chocolate brown)
Bronze silver wheaten
Wheaten mottled
Light wheaten mottled (actually those carry Di and ig).
Silver wheaten mottled
Bronze wheaten mottled
Black tailed yellow
Black tailed red
Cream wheaten (roosters have a cream breast)
Bronze tailed etc as already translated.
These colours are most represented in the European continental Serama, after an inventory, this means breeders can choose a good typed bird, assign it a colour name and enter it to a show.
Tthis is from Sun Valley Seramas on their Cocopop thread:
I am starting a thred to really be helpful for those who are trying to replicate the cocopop color in serama, this is not an easy task for any of us!! This particular color has mutch varience like in horse color, some buckskins are very dark sutty and others are buttermilk/along with dunfactor etc. I am a visual learner so please post photos of birds in question and we can pick them apart to find out what they are composed of.. Now when asking for color disection it is also helpful to have test mated them and have photos of chicks that are produced, lets say a roo with two different hens, will give is a good idea of what the roo can produce and so fourth. You can see what is consistantly produced in the chicks from two different hens and the same father, I am sure that we will have mixed opinions as to what is said, but please lets keep this Fun and I really and looking for informative and helpful information. This color is getting VERY popular and we need at least 5 breeders over the period of 5 years to breed this color true to move the acceptance forward, This is noooo easy task. But lets give it a shot...
Here is a photo of the origional CAPTAIN COCO POP, he was Bred By Jerry seramas LLC then later purchased my Grady Taylor in FLorida Where he lived till his passing on 2010!!
This is how Cocoapop is defined in Europe according to resident expert Sig.
Bronze tailed
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle shining orange with a matt bronze brown shaft stripe.
Shoulders and back shining red brown. Primaries matt bronze brown with a brown feather edge.
Secondaries red brown outer vane (wing triange) and matt bronze brown inner vane.
Breast, wing coverts, wing bands, abdomen and lower thighs in light chestnut brown. Main tail feathers very dark matt brown with almost invisible lighter colour shade towards the basis. Sickles shining bronze brown, secondary sickles slightly peppered and very shining. Down: brownish grey.
Hen: head, hackle deep yellow, lower hackle matt brown shaft stripes with yellow quills. Primaries yellow with matt brown inner vane. Back, wing coverts, saddle and tail coverts light yellow with yellow quills and feather edges. The inner part of these feathers have a more or less matt brown peppering. Breast, abdomen, lower thighs evenly light yellow. Tail chocolate brown, upper main tail feathers in colour and pattern like tail coverts. Down: greyish.
Legs: yellow
Severe faults: impure breast colour of the rooster, dark ornamental feathers, missing shine; hen a very light or patchy groundcolour.
Laced Bronze tailed
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle shining orange with a matt bronze brown shaft stripe.
Shoulders and back shining red brown. Primaries matt bronze brown with a brown outer edge.
Secondaries with red brown outer vane (wing triangle) and matt bronze brown inner vane.
Breast, wing coverts, wing band, abdomen and lower thighs light chestnut brown with fine dark lacing. Main tail feathers very dark matt brown with almost invisible lighter colour shade towards the basis.
Sickles shining bronze brown, secondary sickles slightly peppered and very shining. Down: brownish grey.
Hen: like bronze tailed.
Legs: yellow
Severe faults: impure lacing on the rooster, dark ornamental feathers, missing shine; hen: very light or patchy groundcolour.
Bronze tailed Silver neck
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle: visible part light cream till almost white, feather basis light brown.
Shoulders and back shining orange red. Primaries, matt bronze brown with a brown outer edge. Secondaries red brown outer vane and small cream coloured inner edge (red brown wing triangle with some cream coloured mixed thru is allowed), inner vane matt bronze brown.
Breast, wing coverts, wing bands, abdomen and lower thighs light chestnut brown.
Main tail feathers very dark matt brown with almost invisible lighter colour shade towards the basis. Sickles shining bronze brown, secondary sickles slightly peppered and very shining. Down: brownish grey.
Hen: head and hackle wheaten coloured with a silverish lacing and in lower hackle a matt brown shaft stripe. Primaries wheaten coloured with matt brown inner vane. Back, wing coverts, saddle and tail coverts wheaten coloured with a light feather edge. The inner part of these feathers have more or less distinct grey brown peppering. Breast, abdomen and lower thighs light wheaten coloured with a pale feather edge and pale feather quill. Tail grey brown, the upper main tail feathers in colour matching the tail coverts. Down: greyish.
Legs: yellow.
Severe faults: impure breast colour of the rooster, strong yellow or patchy ornamental feathers, missing shing, hen: very patchy ground colour, missing pale lacing.
Laced Bronze tailed Silver neck
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle: visible part light cream till almost white, feather basis light brown.
Shoulders and back shining orange red. Primaries, matt bronze brown with a brown outer edge. Secondaries red brown outer vane and small cream coloured inner edge (red brown wing triangle with some cream coloured mixed thru is allowed), inner vane matt bronze brown.
Breast, wing coverts, wing band, abdomen and lower thighs light chestnut brown with fine dark lacing. Main tail feathers very dark matt brown with almost invisible light chestnut brown colour shade towards the basis. Sickles shining bronze brown, secondary sickles slightly peppered and strong shining. Down: brownish grey.
Hen: as Bronze tailed Silver neck
Legs: yellow
Severe faults: impure lacing of the rooster, strong yellow or patchy ornamental feathers, missing shing, hen: very patchy ground colour, missing pale lacing.
Bronze tailed Silver neck double laced:
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle: visible part light cream coloured to almost white, feather basis light brown. Shoulders and back shing orange red. Primaries matt bronze brown with a brown outer edge. Seconaries with red brown passing into cream outer vanes (wing triangle is two coloured redbrown/cream), inner vane matt bronze brown. Breast, wing coverts, wing band, abdomen and lower thighs light chestnut brown with a fine blackish lacing around the feather edge. On the inner side of this lace a distinct cream coloured inner lace. Main tail feathers very dark matt brown with almost invisible light chestnut brown to the basis. Sickles shining bronze brown, by-sickles slightly peppered and strong shining. Down: brownish grey.
Hen: as bronze tail silver neck hen.
Legs: yellow.
Severe faults: a blurred lacing on the rooster, a too broad creme coloured inner lace by which the breast is not evenly three coloured, strong yellow or patchy ornamental feathers, missing shine; hen: a very patchy ground colour, missing paled edging around the feathers.
Laced Silver bronze tailed
Rooster: head, hackle and saddle silvery white with a matt light bronze brown shaft stripe. Shoulders and back silvery white. Primaries matt bronze brown with a white outer edge. Secondaries white outer vane (wing triangle) and matt bronze brown inner vane. Breast, wing coverts, wing bands, abdomen and lower thighs silvery white with a fine blackish lacing. Main tail feathers matt brown, with invisible to greyish white to the basis. Sickles shining light bronze slightly peppered. Down colour: brownish grey.
Hen: head and hackle almost white with in the lower hackle a matt brown shaft stripe.
Primaries very pale wheaten coloured with grey brown inner vanes.
Back, wing coverts, saddle and tail coverts creame coloured to almost white. Inner part of the feathers a very weak undistinct matte grey brown peppering. Breast, abdomen and lower thighs almost white. Tail light grey brown, upper main tail feathers matching in colour and pattern to the tail coverts.
Down: greyish.
Legs: yellow.
Severe faults: the rooster a strong yellow shade in groundcolour and impure lacing; hen: a patchy ground colour.
Edgar as you can read is this colour based on both eWh (wheaten) and eb (Asiatic partridge).
Cocoapop is considered to be a rooster colour, the hens can be exchanged (except for s+ and S) since they have a slight pencilling but for most it looks like peppering.
In the Serama Colours book I have photos of these colours. I'm on page 72 translating of 113 pages. I print it in 50 copies when ready and send them to Jerry, will take a few weeks. Guess early January ready.
FYI:
Weight: rooster till 500 grams, hen till 425 grams
Minimum weight breeding eggs: 23 grams (this implicates larger hens than exhibition hens)
Egg colour: beige to cream white
Ring size: rooster 11, hen 10
Judging:
Judging colour and pattern faults is only used to distinguish similar birds in type. Colour and pattern are of less importance compared to the other breed characteristics.
Cage judging: bird can best be judged outside the cage on the judge's table because it shows better its type.
Edgar: in Europe judges and their writers drag a small table (incl. coffee) with them thru the rows of cages.
Other accepted colours:
White
Black (a few gold, red, silver feathers in hackle of roosters allowed just like in black silkies)
Blue (even blue or edged blue, few red or silver feathers allowed)
Bronze (chocolate)
Mottled (few gold, red feathers allowed)
Blue mottled
Bronze mottled
Wheaten
Silver wheaten
Bronze wheaten (black replaced by bronze/chocolate brown)
Bronze silver wheaten
Wheaten mottled
Light wheaten mottled (actually those carry Di and ig).
Silver wheaten mottled
Bronze wheaten mottled
Black tailed yellow
Black tailed red
Cream wheaten (roosters have a cream breast)
Bronze tailed etc as already translated.
These colours are most represented in the European continental Serama, after an inventory, this means breeders can choose a good typed bird, assign it a colour name and enter it to a show.
I have one of Jerry's culls that look like it was from his cocopop breeding program. Sorry for the fuzzy pics
Keep in mind, these are Jerry's culls. I don't breed seramas, I am bringing their colorations to my d'uccles.
Keep in mind, these are Jerry's culls. I don't breed seramas, I am bringing their colorations to my d'uccles.
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I am looking into Seramas for a 4H project for my son, so am also interested in breeders in Nor Cal. There is a Serama show in Manteca in March. Maybe you can buys some hens there. Is anyone going to this show???
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